They are certainly people who pay a heavy price for spontaneity! With just a little more practice, they could get the same spontaneity with a camera that didn't deliver grade Z quality automatically every time.
Perhaps Holga users are photography reverse-snobs?
They are certainly people who pay a heavy price for spontaneity! With just a little more practice, they could get the same spontaneity with a camera that didn't deliver grade Z quality automatically every time.
... it seems like a false dichotomy to me...
Ah, an object lesson in snobbery. How approptiate.
Eh? What's snobbish about it? From a technical viewpoint, he's absolutely right.
Cheers,
R.
They are certainly people who pay a heavy price for spontaneity! With just a little more practice, they could get the same spontaneity with a camera that didn't deliver grade Z quality automatically every time.
Only if you desire (what some call) a technically "perfect" image!
However, it is exactly the effect the Holga photographer desires, so if you used a higher quality camera, you would have to spend an inordinate amount of time introducing optical aberrations, distortions and light leaks to the pristine image, thereby spending MUCH more time than a simple shutter snap through a coke bottle lens.
It's like arguing the "why we shoot decay" thread with a pronouncement that one should only shoot sound, intact buildings with a fine camera.
There, that aught to whip this back to the top of the thread list!
Another can of gas, Horatio!
What's snobbish about it? Oh, I dunno... Pay a heavy price? A little more practice? Grade Z quality? The value judgements shouting my way is superior to your way are flying fast and furious for shuch a brief post.
Well, if you really like taking offence, I suppose you're welcome. I found it a mildly amusing expression of opinion, which I do not see as the same thing as snobbism.
OF COURSE we all believe that 'my way is superior to your way', or we'd do it your way. But I find it terminally thin-skinned to take offence at Dave's remarks.
Cheers,
R.
I can assure you that we don't all do that, anymore than we all eat a cheeseburger because we believe it's superior to a taco..or that we ski because we believe it's superior to scuba diving.
More like yachts - we are talking snobby, right? Interesting thread - from 'glass' to the SS Minnow.why do they name boats?
I think people should make the most of what ever equipment they can afford ,and just enjoy taking pictures to the best of thier ability.
Choices don't have to be value judgments.
Hmmm ... I love eating a Big Mac every now and then, but I don't really value it more than a healthy meal or a fine sushi meal at Nobu. Sometimes what I value 1) I can't afford/have/get/whatever and/or 2) I don't care and choose something less 'valuable' anyway.If I choose A above B, then I value it above B.
Monsieur Du Snob Fulbert Anselme ( about 1/2way down)
Hmmm ... I love eating a Big Mac every now and then, but I don't really value it more than a healthy meal or a fine sushi meal at Nobu. Sometimes what I value 1) I can't afford/have/get/whatever and/or 2) I don't care and choose something less 'valuable' anyway.
Regards, Art.
Hmmm ... I don't know Roger, I'd like to think my values have a little more staying power than spur of the moment decisions. Perhaps there's a hierarchy of 'decisions' one makes where one's values are the over-arching umbrella of them all? Dunno really.My argument is that 'value' is a function of time. There are times when a litre of water is more valuable to me than a glass of Laphroaig, and vice versa.
I think people should make the most of what ever equipment they can afford ,and just enjoy taking pictures to the best of thier ability.
Hmmm ... I don't know Roger, I'd like to think my values have a little more staying power than spur of the moment decisions. Perhaps there's a hierarchy of 'decisions' one makes where one's values are the over-arching umbrella of them all? Dunno really.
Anyway, how does this relate to snobbiness again?
Regards, Art.
- The idea that photographs must "say something". PLEASE. Most of the photographs I love most say nothing to me. I just like looking at them.
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