It is 19,000 Br. Pounds / year (part time) as add says.
It is 38,000 Br. Pounds / year for full time (40 h / week)
Maaaaan it is approx. $us 76,000 / year full time. It is sallary for Top-Notch Engineer in the best paid companies in Canada. Many real artist painters live on $20,000 / year at good time.
Get a grip man.
Yet again the terminology has caused confusion. The job ad I mentioned in my OP offers a 22-hour-per-week post based on a FULL-TIME salary of £18,900 (approx. US$38,000, although this direct conversion is misleading). The actual job holder will receive approx. £10,400 (US$21,000) gross before deductions. Another contributor who lives in the area (Derbyshire) in question has confirmed my broad assumptions as to what type of accommodation and general lifestyle this salary will allow. I think that's a pretty good "grip" on reality, don't you?
not really--38 grand US isn't a starvation wage. 22 grand is about the salary start for a studio photographer in a furniture market studio, which is to say, very long hours, technical work--not the kind learned in a book, or in school, but from working your way up from lower paid jobs in the studios. A part timer would be making minimum wage. Having done some of that, I might be willing to argue the point of a starvation wage--but it helps to put it in perspective. 20 something grand, part time, would give you a base for working freelance the rest of the time, and if it was slow, it would still give you a cushion. that's how I see it, but I can tell we're more than just on opposite sides of the ocean here.
....I have been asked the question as to what I expect - the simple answer is - pay and conditions like any other professional with graduate qualifications and comparable length of experience!
The market price is the market price. If you won't do it at the offered price - perhaps someone else will. If no one will do it at the offered price - then they have to raise the price!
Really quite simple, isn't it?
It certainly is - grossly unfair, but simple!
However, you might consider this - the legendary photojournalism which appeared in "Life" magazine in its heyday came into existence because picture magazines were recongised as the major visual medium of their day, appropriately large budgets were made available, which attracted a high caliber of person into the profession, and the result was the creation of a priceless social document of the 20th century. This does not happen any more - I fully acknowledge the inevitability of market forces, but at the same time I simply think it's a great pity!
But that legendary photojournalism was dependent upon the ability of a relatively few people who were capable of mastering erstwhile difficult to use manual cameras.
Like it or not, over the years the camera manufacturers have made the equipment easier and easier to use - to the point now where one need not know much of anything but point and shoot what is state of the art gear.
Sorry to say, but the fine craftwork such Life Magazine once published is gone - and it isn't coming back.
You and I are likely of a similar age - how many folk a generation younger than us even know what Life Magazine was?
"Compensating for lack of skill with technology is progress toward mediocrity. As technology advances, craftsmanship recedes. As technology increases our possibilities, we use them less resourcefully. The one thing we've gained is spontaneity, which is useless without perception."
-David Vestal
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Perception is not required when you shoot in a mass-mode. As I said, only one, just one, random shot has to be good from a multitude of images taken at any "event". ...
Without perception, how can you tell which one random shot is good?
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Perception is not required when you shoot in a mass-mode. As I said, only one, just one, random shot has to be good from a multitude of images taken at any "event".
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Just on a technical point, George - I think you may not be fully aware of how press photographers work. To take press shots, you need to be in position (at the right place at the right time), and to do this you need (occasionally) advanced elbow skills but above all a sense of anticipation (knowing where and when something will happen before it does) and of course lightning-fast reflexes to catch the moment on film or memory card when it does arrive. I can assure you that a totally untrained person wearing a skydiver's helmet or something similar with a camera affixed running continuously at 10 fps or even more would have virtually zero chance of producing usable news pictures. As for selection - traditionally, pressmen shot on film, made contact sheets and gave this to picture editors. These days, because of the logistics of electronic image transmission, pressmen effectively picture-edit themselves by choosing which shot (or which two or three at most) to send to the picture editor. Press photogs may behave like animals on occasion, but dumb they ain't!
Regards,
Davod
Actually George they rarely use wireless upload. The reason being that Nikon and Canon have few frequencies on their transmitters. Also, a press photographer at an event cannot move on the orders of his/her editor. There just isn't the room. The norm is that once the conference or whatever is over, the photographer goes to the press filing room, edits and captions the images and then uploads them to the editor.
Some of the wire service photographers earn decent salaries which they would not if, for example Getty just wanted someone to hold a camera and push a button. These people do indeed have perception and though some of them get paid well they work very hard for it. Even for the red carpet events most of these photogs arrive four or five hours ahead of time in order to get a place. In average weather that's OK, but in zero or 95 degree weather that's not easy money! It truly isn't "push and pray" and if you're assigned to three or four events in a day you're pretty exhausted - and you'd better have saleable prints and good event coverage if you want an assignment tomorrow.
Clearly, these photographs are not the considered studio or landscape images of the fine art photographer. They are taken "on the run". You may be confusing the photojournalist with the paparazzi who do often shoot fast and hard in the hopes that they can plumb new depths. Them ain't the PJs though.
Bob
I have made my living full time with cameras (Movie, TV, commercial photography) since I was 18. Thats 25 years. For the past 12 I have been freelance. Sentiments for film aside, the d* revolution has reduced or depressed the working wage, at least in my markets. Rates are the same or lower than ten years ago. These days I work more hours for less money. The bar for entry equipment wise, and skill wise has been lowered to the degree that anybody with a whim can hang out a shingle. Ten years ago there were about 30 photographers listed in this market. As of the last book, there are now over 400. Population has increased about 10% here, in the same time frame. I'm lucky, in that I have established clientele, and a good reputation.
Nonetheless, I have still felt this crunch. They pop up as fast as they go under. Hopefully this will cycle out at some point, but I would hesitate to recommend this line of work to somebody just starting out.
It's difficult to compete in a bloated market against people who are losing money, and don't even realize it, and it also makes the competent established people compete harder, and that's where we are all suffering.
Over all this has always been kind of a bargain hunters market. I would hesitate to call my bread and butter work "art" but it is the work that fosters my ability to do my own stuff, make silly video's, etc.
Geographically, its difficult to reach out of this market, but I continue to explore all options.
The summation is that these days, most of the time, I do OK, but I no longer have the illusion that things will get better. The overall trend is down, has been down, and looks to stay down, so I'm trying some twists and turns.
I don't really have any other skill set.
It also lists the 2006 median wage for a photographer in the US around $26k per year. Says that some 42,000 more photographers are needed in the US.* Take pictures of individuals, families, and small groups, either in studio or on location.
* Adjust apertures, shutter speeds, and camera focus based on a combination of factors such as lighting, field depth, subject motion, film type, and film speed.
* Use traditional or digital cameras, along with a variety of equipment such as tripods, filters, and flash attachments.
* Create artificial light, using flashes and reflectors.
* Determine desired images and picture composition; and select and adjust subjects, equipment, and lighting to achieve desired effects.
* Scan photographs into computers for editing, storage, and electronic transmission.
* Test equipment prior to use to ensure that it is in good working order.
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* Estimate or measure light levels, distances, and numbers of exposures needed, using measuring devices and formulas.
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