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My enlarger bulb must be near the end of its life. So in readiness, I recently bought on eBay what I thought was a NOS 150W screw-mount Philips Photocrescenta enlarger bulb. What I received was a Chinese-made 'Photolux' copy. I found that quite annoying, as Photocrescenta (and its Philips code) were the title of the advert, and the label on the image. More fool me, I was pleasantly surprised to find one, and should have looked carefully in that image at the lettering on the bulb.

I gave the supplier a poor review for misleading advertising, and because I had no idea whether what I received was a reasonable substitute. Afterwards, it occurred to me that in fairness I could do a side-by-side comparison of the output wavelengths using the Lightspectrum Pro app on my phone. I measured the light as projected off the enlarging easel, without filters, and with each of the Ilford MG under-lens filters in place (whole grades only). The results are attached. The larger numbers on the right of each screenshot are (top to bottom) deg Kelvin, tint, Lux, and G-index (the latter two are not relevant here, I think). Perhaps someone wiser than me could suggest whether or not the small differences observed mean anything / are likely to be be significant in practice? I have not yet made a print with the bulb, nor tested coverage over the baseboard.

All of these measurements were made with room lights and safelights off, at my usual operating aperture of f/8. One odd thing I had noticed at the outset was that when there was no filter under the lens, stopping down the lens caused the spectrum both to broaden slightly and to shift slightly along the x-axis. This did not happen with a filter in place. I have a suspicion it may have more to do with the app than with any optical phenomenon, but please tell me if you can think of an optical explanation.

Before anyone else leaps in, I was also surprised that the filters did not make a consistent series, but I checked carefully and (for example) the one labelled G3 definitely was taken using G3. I also don't understand how the filters can produce wavelengths that apparently were absent in the unfiltered light. I clearly don't understand enough about the physics of light and would appreciate insights from those who do.

I must add that the Photolux bulb is distinctly askew in its screw mount, and in general it gives an impression of sloppy manufacturing quality compared with the Philips. But if it is good enough, so what?

I'd also be interested to know the experiences of anyone using LED bulbs in a Philips enlarger.
 

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My enlarger bulb must be near the end of its life. So in readiness, I recently bought on eBay what I thought was a NOS 150W screw-mount Philips Photocrescenta enlarger bulb. What I received was a Chinese-made 'Photolux' copy.

No need to buy uncertain lamps on Ebay. These lamps in the range from 75W-250W 230V are still manufactured in Germany. Available for instance at Fotoimpex.

(That is if you at your place still got 230V and by means of Brexit not old the voltage back again.)
 

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Dr Fischer has some real Photocrescenta substitute bulbs, for 150W check PF-605 model.

Philips (Dr. Fisher) PF-605 - 150W / Photocrescenta Enlarger Lamp (retrocamera.be)

I also don't understand how the filters can produce wavelengths that apparently were absent in the unfiltered light. I clearly don't understand enough about the physics of light and would appreciate insights from those who do.

The spectrum the app is showing does not resemble to me at all an incandescent bulb, I think the problem is that you are asking too much to your phone light sensor.
 

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It occurred to me that in fairness I could do a side-by-side comparison of the output wavelengths using the Lightspectrum Pro app on my phone. I measured the light as projected off the enlarging easel, without filters, and with each of the Ilford MG under-lens filters in place (whole grades only). The results are attached.
The results are pure nonsense.
 

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Here is a nice animation:

https://tetfolio.fu-berlin.de/web/1089581

At the start you will see the voltage dial at zero and on the monitor a full spectrum. Set the voltage dial at 9:30hours. You see the classic depiction of incandescant lamp spectrum as found in textbooks. Cranking the voltage a bit up (life-shortening overvoltage) will move the center of spectrum to shorter wavelenghts.
 
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These lamps in the range from 75W-250W 230V are still manufactured in Germany. Available for instance at Fotoimpex.
That's great news. Thanks for the tip.

The results are pure nonsense.
OK, very likely so, and unnecessary as it turns out. Still, it was quite interesting to do. I'd quite like to know what the problem is between app and light source.

That is if you at your place still got 230V and by means of Brexit not old the voltage back again.
Although Boris is not the brightest candle on the cake, I think they will leave it at 230V ...
As far as I know, it has been 240V all my life. Goods rated 230V perform fine. I was happy in the EU, but this UK standard was unlikely to change anyway.
 

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Goods rated 230V perform fine.

Not necessarily. Some incandescant lamps, as those in question, are overrated.
This means they are labelled for a voltage higher than that yielding the standard longevity. Already leading to lifetimes of only 1/10, 1/00, or even less, depending on lamp type. Hightening the applied voltage even more, as in your case, will strongly reduce longevity even more.
 
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Here is a nice animation:
(does not work on all browsers, but well on IE)
https://tetfolio.fu-berlin.de/web/1089581
At the start you will see the voltage dial at zero and on the monitor a full spectrum. Set the voltage dial at 9:30hours. You see the classic depiction of incandescant lamp spectrum as found in textbooks. Cranking the voltage a bit up (life-shortening overvoltage) will move the center of spectrum to shorter wavelenghts.

Thanks, that is fun. I had expected to see a spectrum like that in the phone app, with each MG filter narrowing it down to a different band. I wonder what the app is doing then?

A 230V EU bulb operating at 240V in the UK will possibly have a shorter life, but my current one has lasted about 15 years so far. That does suggest another issue, although I imagine it won't affect the filtered light: would you expect a change in the bulb's output spectrum as the bulb (a) warms up and (b) ages? Not important, just curious.
 

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The warming up has no practical effect.
But aging has. The output will shorten by metal condensation on the bulb hull. See this as kind of ND filter. But the spectrum, for other reason, will change a bit too.
Incandescant lamps of the halogen type are performing better, with a more even output until their sudden end.
 
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But aging has. The output will shorten by metal condensation on the bulb hull. See this as kind of ND filter.
Ah, of course. Seems obvious now you point it out! Thanks.

Although I record exposure times for my prints, I've rarely found them to be exactly repeatable at a later date. I imagine there is some variation between paper batches and maybe developer, even with Ilford or Kodak materials, but the ageing enlarger bulb is a variable I had never considered.
 

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Whole analogue photography exists out of a bunch of variables.
 
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My education continues...:redface: ...apparently the UK changed from 240V to 230V in 2003, bringing it in line with the rest of the EU. I was completely unaware of the change.
 
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It goes on... I now read that the UK didn't change from 240V after all. Rather, the tolerance to be achieved by goods manufactured for use in Europe was broadened to cover both 220V and 240V, so that appliances bought anywhere in the EU would be compatible with the electricity supply in any EU country.

I don't suppose any of you are interested in that, I just thought I'd set the record straight. Enlarger bulb life will still be shorter in the UK, I guess.
 

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I find this quite interesting as I was always wondering whether the mandatory switch to 230V took actually place. One my argue whether tolerances may allow one to keep things as they are, as tolerances may be those metered at the consumers or those at powerplants. There the idea is to stay as near as possible at the standardized voltage.

Lamps aside, a lot of photographic appliances were manufactured in continental Europe in two versions, one in 220V (later 230V) the other in 240V.
 
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Actually I bought my enlarger timer in (communist) Czechoslovakia a long time ago. The timing part is bomb-proof clockwork, but I'm pretty sure it is rated to switch 220V. Doesn't matter, I'm always present when it is operating.
 

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For quite some eletrical appliances it does not matter at all. For others the effect will in practice not show. And some appliances are critical.
 

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No chance meanwhile, as there has been a electrical-power link made between France and Britain.

Well, he could hack through that Line.
 

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I'd quite like to know what the problem is between app and light source.
The app tries to characterize a continuous light source using data consisting of only 3 fairly narrow bandwidth peaks (r, g and b). It's a fundamentally flawed approach that only has some entertainment value but for your application is entirely useless.
 
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The app tries to characterize a continuous light source using data consisting of only 3 fairly narrow bandwidth peaks (r, g and b). It's a fundamentally flawed approach that only has some entertainment value but for your application is entirely useless.
Many thanks, it's valuable to know that. Also that the Dutch are pre-eminent when it comes to bulbs :smile:.
 

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Many thanks, it's valuable to know that. Also that the Dutch are pre-eminent when it comes to bulbs :smile:.


No longer... Philips closed their incandescent lamp factories and many more. Meanwhile the whole lighting sector has been sold. The imprint of this firm as manufacturing entity on a whole city and a whole region in Europe was great. This all is history now. I have been inside their plants when they were still active or just been left.
 

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The imprint of this firm as manufacturing entity on a whole city and a whole region in Europe was great. This all is history now.
Not entirely. Firstly there's the still active healthcare division. But of much more significance are the dozens of spin offs, divestments and former suppliers that trace directly back to Philip's and that still dominate the city's economic, academic and to a large extent social climates.
 

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I often have been at the city and various establishenents of Philips and there were drastic changes. More so in the rest of the region were all Philips plants closed long ago.
That other firms nourish from Philip's past is a different story. I myself even got books from their plant library now at mine.
We both know of the impact this firm had on Europe, but I often experienced that for instance our american fellows hadly can begin something with that name,and have to explain to think of something like General Electric.
 
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