Pentax announces that they're working on new film cameras!

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I attended a friend's 50th birthday party yesterday at a swanky resort/hotel/spa. For the occasion I selected my Olympus Mju (first version with the 35mm f3.5). I shot Ilford HP5+ at box speed, so made a lot of use of the flash. Others used phones though one guest had a Go Pro and a DSLR. We're yet to see any of his pictures, but the photos from the little Mju really look better than anyone's phone pics including my own. It also gives a reassuring mechanical noise as it focusses, you can hear the shutter fire and then it whirs some more as it winds the film on. Shutter "lag" from the AF is no worse than a digital compact camera or phone 9 times out of 10. I shot 19 photos on a roll of 24, finishing it off this morning in the hotel grounds. 14 of those ended up being what I'd consider "good".

So...my B&W photos and phone photos have already been shared in a chat group less than 24 hours after the party begun. And result is that the party girl wants all the B&W photos printed. I also had an approving look from the young waitress who cannot have been a day over 21.

That's the sort of product Pentax seem to be looking at for the first round....possibly more like the later Mjus or Pentax products of the past but something simple yet high quality. The lens on that Olympus is very sharp, the AF and exposure work reliably and the battery was full despite me not having used the camera in about 25 months.

In an open area with decent light direct flash can be OK. No harsh drop shadows and with night mode turned on, lots of ambient fill.

How does an approving look appear? Sure you’re not projecting or being wishful? ;-)
There is a big chance that a camera like that will look like any old digi cam to a random person.
 
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You can buy a superme and a good lens very cheap. Great camera.
I dont think a brand new Pentax can compete with all the amazing used cameras outthere.
 

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You can buy a superme and a good lens very cheap. Great camera.
I dont think a brand new Pentax can compete with all the amazing used cameras out there.

There are still a lot of great and good used cameras out there. That inhibits bringing out new cameras.
 

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Since I already own perfectly good MX. KX and LX cameras, and a couple of other brand P&S's and Rangefinders, they would have to offer up a camera with at least close to the capabilities of one of the SLR's before I'd be interested. The selling points for me would be well built and new. Since I just spent several thousand dollars on a new DSLR and lenses, I'm willing to pay a decent(non-Leica) price for an excellent quality film SLR.
 

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Pentax PC35AF was a nice camera - good lens with autofocus, somewhat pocketable, manually set ISO. Manual advance and rewind would surely cut down the cost, although there was a version with auto-advance as well - PC35AF-M. Could have been a good starting point for a no-too-expensive-not-too-shabby camera with prime lens. Surely modern electronics can provide better AF and a little more compact design than technology of 1980-something.
 

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A selfie is almost exclusively a narcissistic trophy

Being peer-pressured into doing something does not equate narcissism.
Now don't start about how people shouldn't have to respond to peer pressure. We've all succumbed to it to some extent, especially at a young age, and still do even as we get older.
 

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Being peer-pressured into doing something does not equate narcissism.
Now don't start about how people shouldn't have to respond to peer pressure. We've all succumbed to it to some extent, especially at a young age, and still do even as we get older.

How do you get peer pressured to take selfies‽
I might get it to a very slight degree with human chameleons in the 13 to 18 year old bracket.
They want to fit in at any cost.
But for adults it’s just ridiculous and inexcusable.

To assume that there is a large audience for your face crammed in front of stuff you want to show off, is so mind boggling self aggrandizing, mechanically narcissistic and pretentious that I don’t see any excuse.

The rare selfie and better yet “grubie” was perhaps fun and understandable before it got tainted to hell.
But taking selfies and posting them online today is just at the same time sheepish and masturbatory.
 
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when I take Selfies, I don't think it's down to peer pressure. Middle aged fart I may be, but I use social media. And the purpose of the selfie is either to make a post when I check into a location, or to take a photo of myself when I go on a walk or something. It's also just nice to have a memory of going on said walk, or of meeting someone. Go to a gig and get a selfie with the band. But I don't see it as stemming from peer pressure. There is an element of "Look at me" I suppose, but that's not intrinsically a bad thing. I started taking selfies well before it was fashionable, in the pre-Facebook beforetimes.

if that is inexcusable, then it's good that I'm not asking anyone's permission but myself and anyone else who appears in the selfie.

Regarding the look from the waitress, it was definitely body and face language for "You're OK using that flash because you're shooting film and that's cool.". They were asking people with phones to not use their flash. Without words, it was indicated that I was fine with the Mju. It was a rather swanky hotel restaurant that would usually frown on such things. There are issues with a lot of these little compact P&S cameras though. As someone mentioned the seal around the lens can go on the Mju. They're all irreparable as far as the electronics go. A new P&S would have a warranty, hopefully it's own 20 year life span and spare parts available. I was lucky a decade or so ago to be given two by a work colleague who had only recently stopped using them. So they hadn't languished in a draw or on a shelf for 20 years like many have.
 

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when I take Selfies, I don't think it's down to peer pressure. Middle aged fart I may be, but I use social media. And the purpose of the selfie is either to make a post when I check into a location, or to take a photo of myself when I go on a walk or something. It's also just nice to have a memory of going on said walk, or of meeting someone. Go to a gig and get a selfie with the band. But I don't see it as stemming from peer pressure. There is an element of "Look at me" I suppose, but that's not intrinsically a bad thing. I started taking selfies well before it was fashionable, in the pre-Facebook beforetimes.

if that is inexcusable, then it's good that I'm not asking anyone's permission but myself and anyone else who appears in the selfie.

Regarding the look from the waitress, it was definitely body and face language for "You're OK using that flash because you're shooting film and that's cool.". They were asking people with phones to not use their flash. Without words, it was indicated that I was fine with the Mju. It was a rather swanky hotel restaurant that would usually frown on such things. There are issues with a lot of these little compact P&S cameras though. As someone mentioned the seal around the lens can go on the Mju. They're all irreparable as far as the electronics go. A new P&S would have a warranty, hopefully it's own 20 year life span and spare parts available. I was lucky a decade or so ago to be given two by a work colleague who had only recently stopped using them. So they hadn't languished in a draw or on a shelf for 20 years like many have.

The point and shoots are dying off. The SLRs are soldering on.
 
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I don't think build quality for the p/s is a very important factor. Sure, it is a must for top of the line, deluxe products, but not for the regular ones. Take a look at stylus, Olympus XA and Nikon Lite touch, heck even Yashica T4 can be easily squashed if you sit on them. They are tools for casual use and the most important factor is easy of use, to avoid missing fast, casual and fleeting moments. Use your Nikon F2 (or any build like a tank camera you fancy) for everything else.
 

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Being peer-pressured into doing something does not equate narcissism.
Now don't start about how people shouldn't have to respond to peer pressure. We've all succumbed to it to some extent, especially at a young age, and still do even as we get older.

Wrong. Selfies are all about narcissism. You need to moderate yourself.
 

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Wrong. Selfies are all about narcissism. You need to moderate yourself.

Selfies are when you are with family and friends and having a jolly old time and you want to document the fun of the moment. Nothing like a crowd of silly angled happy faces mugging for a stupid selfie. Also useful for taking photos of little toddlers in your lap.

'I don't understand it so it's bad' is fine if you admit to it.
 

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Selfies are when you are with family and friends and having a jolly old time and you want to document the fun of the moment. Nothing like a crowd of silly angled happy faces mugging for a stupid selfie. Also useful for taking photos of little toddlers in your lap.

'I don't understand it so it's bad' is fine if you admit to it.

No I understand completely. Just like photographing everything that one eats has to be posted on InstaGram. Pure narcissism.
 

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Since I already own perfectly good MX. KX and LX cameras, and a couple of other brand P&S's and Rangefinders, they would have to offer up a camera with at least close to the capabilities of one of the SLR's before I'd be interested. The selling points for me would be well built and new. Since I just spent several thousand dollars on a new DSLR and lenses, I'm willing to pay a decent(non-Leica) price for an excellent quality film SLR.

I think that the Pentax KX was the best of all mechanical Pentax cameras and maybe one of the best and most reliable 35mm cameras. With the same quality such a camera would easily cost 3.000€ today.
 

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We actually have board members calling this man a narcissist who's engaging in a lower form of photography. Guess who'd I'd rather hang out with?

Ansel Adams self portrait.jpg
 

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A selfie means that everyone in the group is in the photo, including the photographer.
I have way too many family photos that either my Dad or I are not in the photo.
And yes I understand the alternatives.
 

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A selfie means that everyone in the group is in the photo, including the photographer.
I have way too many family photos that either my Dad or I are not in the photo.
And yes I understand the alternatives.

I have lots of photos like that, too. It's a shame.
 

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DId someone hit Sirius upside the head with a selfie stick?

There are plenty of reasons to take selfies. None requires an armchair diagnosis of narcissism....which is a serious personality disorder with no effective treatment.

The P&S cameras of the 90s are still attracting a lot of interest and top dollar. That's why Pentax/Ricoh's research leads them there for their first new film camera.
 
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