PaRodinal, 5 Years Later.

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ZorkiKat

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According to this page, paRodinal has a “maximum shelf life of 90 days“....I say not.

Today, the second batch of paRodinal I brewed in 2006 turned 5 years old. Still in its original recycled HDPE bottle. Half-full, and was stored in not-so-fair conditions: indoors, but not in the dark, and in unregulated tropical temperatures which reach about 35ºC or more in the summer. The bottle has warped, perhaps due to the same reasons why ‘real’ rodinal plastic bottles warp in long-time storage: air depletion of sorts.

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The other endearing qualities of Rodinal, like compensation and increased edge sharpness, have already been observed with paRodinal. Longevity is the only quality left to be seen, and can only be appreciated after some years have passed. Five years is fairly long enough.

To initially test this 5-year old concentrate’s potency, I subjected it to the “standard test” method I use for testing other paRodinal baths whose efficacy has become questionable: by dabbing a bit of the concentrate on a piece of unexposed film. The dabbed area, when the concentrate is good, will darken quickly, and turn black in about 2 seconds. I was pleasantly surprised to see that the old concentrate was able to darken the dabbed area as quickly as a new solution would. This indicated that the old paRodinal was still good.

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I made a 1+50 solution and developed a roll of “Fomapan 400″ , for 11 minutes at 20ºC. This is the standard time for Rodinal diluted in the same manner. No extension or compensation of any sort for any perceived weakening of the developer due to aging was made. The film was developed as if the concentrate was new.

This are what I got:

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It is apparent that paRodinal also shares Rodinal's longevity. Only time will tell if paRodinal can still work after 40 years.
 

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I tested a batch recently that was a couple of years old, and it worked perfectly.
 

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Thanks to ZorkiKat, it is also possible to make a version of PaRodinal which is clear, unlike the version on digitaltruth.com.
http://photo.net/black-and-white-photo-film-processing-forum/00UxmB
I just tested a sample of the clear version 15 months old with the "dab test" ,it still works OK although the bottle is now only 20% full.
Interestingly, this initially clear version now has crystals in it but I do not know what they are.
 

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And that batch that was a couple of years old in Feb 2011 is still going strong!
 

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What is PaRodinal?? Thanks


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It's a film developer made from Tylenol tablets, very similar to Rodinal.
 

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It's a film developer made from Tylenol tablets, very similar to Rodinal.

Oh wow!!! Cool!! Where can I find a link with instructions? Lol


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The original formula was given by Sreenath but Donald Qualls did work on it and introduced it to the photo community. His original instructions are here:
http://silent1.home.netcom.com/Photography/Dilutions and Times.html#Parodinal
His version is cloudy.If you want a version that is clear the procedure summarized by Mr O'Connor on p2 of the link I posted above is as good as it gets.The performance of the cloudy and clear versions is identical. Read the safety notes on sodium hydroxide, it is caustic and dissolves people or parts thereof.
Acetaminophen=Tylenol=Paracetamol for this purpose.
 
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It's a film developer made from Tylenol tablets, very similar to Rodinal

Are results similar to Rodinal or is formula similar to Rodinal ?

What is formula of Tylenol tablets ?

edit : I looked to the link and tylenol is paracetamol. Can anyone give a link to rodinal formula to check the details.

Thank you,
Umut
 
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Are results similar to Rodinal or is formula similar to Rodinal ?

What is formula of Tylenol tablets ?

edit : I looked to the link and tylenol is paracetamol. Can anyone give a link to rodinal formula to check the details.

Thank you,
Umut

After scouring the internet for you, I found where the formula is posted.
(there was a url link here which no longer exists)
 

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So checking in again with my same first batch of paRodinal, which I've traced to 2008 via this post:

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

I thought I'd give it a go to process a few test rolls (Noblex just back from the shop) of Adox CHS 100 (EI 200, 1:50, 10' 15" at 75F, which is the temperature of our cold tap water), and the negs look fine. There's some kind of precipitate rattling around in the bottle, but the film doesn't seem to mind.
 

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For the sake of posterity, I’m reporting that my 2008 batch of paRodinal died sometime around 2016. I think the Honolulu climate may have done it in.

I hadn’t been using it for some time, but I’m thinking of coming back to it, so I just mixed up a small batch. It had a good look, and suits my current film processing needs, not to mention chemical availability in Hawai’i.
 

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I am making note of this substitute for Rodinal. Just for sake of comparison, I am still using Agfa Rodinal that I horned up on when Agfa announced its discontinuance....how many years has that been?
 

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It’s simple to make from ingredients that aren’t too hard to get and works remarkably well.

In some places it can be difficult to obtain sodium hydroxide crystals, but there are versions of the formula out there using liquid drain cleaner that is just sodium hydroxide in solution with water.
 

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Correct me if I'm mis-remembering, but I seem to recall that potassium hydroxide makes for a 'cleaner' or 'better' mix in Parodinal.

Do any of you use this instead of the sodium hydroxide, and, if so, what is your take on the two approaches?
 

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Yes, here is my version:
https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/parodinal-with-potassium-bisulfite.118849/
I still have that bottle, its about 5 years old now.
I dipped a film leader in some 1:25 dilution, it was quickly blackenened, the stuff still works.
It has deposited a few crystals now, I think they are probably aminophenolate
But so has my 20+ years old bottle of original Agfa Rodinal
My conclusion is that PaRodinal made in this way will last about as long as Rodinal, ie till all the sulfite gets oxidized by air when the bottle is near empty.
 

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Cheers!

I had made some up years ago, from the Quails information, and it worked well, but I say this 'old' update and was curious as to the 'State of the Art' at his point.

I mainly used original Rodinal in a commercial setting back up to 1990, for T-Max 100 and it gave us the results we were looking for, in both product and people, portraits/fashion when B&W was called for.

IIRC, I was using it 1:50 at 06:45, about 20c/68f, and I believe 30s initial agitation and 10s each minute.

I have no used it except for the Parodinal back around 2003-5 on T-Max and Delta 100 and some Delta 400, so I look forward, if nothing else than mixing up a clean, clear solution, for occasional use for these films, which I do have occasion to shoot, for my personal use.

I have about 35-40 or so sheets of T-Max 100 self contained sheets of 4in. x 5in. film, the stuff you used the Polaroid 545 holder for, as well as 135 and 120 and cut-down T-max for my 16mm camera (s), and if I do no use Parrodinal for all, I'll do a side by side with PMK Pyro, which also gives nice results with the Delta films.

Thanks again for the link.
 

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I hadn’t been using it for some time, but I’m thinking of coming back to it, so I just mixed up a small batch. It had a good look, and suits my current film processing needs, not to mention chemical availability in Hawai’i.

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Haven’t been shooting a lot of film these past 6 months, but ran a test roll of Adox CHS 100 ART (last roll from the freezer—exp. 2008) yesterday to check some recent camera repairs, and my paRodinal from December 2019 is holding up just fine, even with air in the plastic bottle where I keep it and the consistently warm Hawai’i weather.
 

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Glad to hear it working.

My (now gone, due to the host closing their private individual hosting) developer page gave a 90 day recommendation because, at the time I wrote it, I wasn't aware of anyone having kept Parodinal longer than that. I'm very glad to hear it will keep for years, similarly to commercial Rodinal derivatives.
 

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It's a great developer and if I had no had a link to your earlier posts in the topic, I doubt I would have ventured forth and mixed my own first batches, so thank you for your contribution, even after all this time, I'm still grateful for this knowledge.

Cheers and Good Health to you and yours.
 
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