Origins of Jean Fage two-bath film developer

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The Crawley formulas also appeared in one perhaps two BJP annuals. They started with the 1972 edition.


I have the English edition of Glafkides and don't remember seeing any reference to a two bath Fage developer. In fact I have a whole shelf of technical books on photography and cannot remember this developer being mentioned in any of them. I am sure that the unique method of use would have caught my eye. It would be very unusual for a 'home brew' developer from a fashion photographer to make it into any technical publication.

As I said, I am most most intrigued by the fact that none of the French sources has answered to my queries. Could you give the info on your English translation of Glafkides, please?
I have, however, found a French version of what appears to be a version of H&W Control
https://photochemical.wordpress.com...ste-diy-lchd-low-contrast-homemade-developer/
 

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As I said, I am most most intrigued by the fact that none of the French sources has answered to my queries. Could you give the info on your English translation of Glafkides, please?
I have, however, found a French version of what appears to be a version of H&W Control
https://photochemical.wordpress.com...ste-diy-lchd-low-contrast-homemade-developer/

H&W Control was a commercial developer sold for use with H&W Control film which was a microfilm. Here is the recipe.


Distilled water (50°C) …………………………………………… 300 ml
Sodium sulfite (anhy) ……………………………………………… 8.0 g
Hydroquinone ……………………………………………………………………… 1.2 g
Sodium carbonate (anhy) ………………………………………… 30.0 g
Phenidone ……………………………………………………………………………… 8.3 g

Solution 2

Distilled water (50°C) …………………………………………… 600 ml
Sodium sulfite (anhy) ……………………………………………… 60.0 g

Method of Preparation

Make up the two solutions. Add Solution 2 to Solution 1 and dilute to 1 liter.

Usage

Dilute 1+15 with distilled water. Average development time is 11 - 15 minutes
at 20°C. Agitate continuously for the first minute and then for 5 seconds every 3 minutes.

I am not presently able to get to my copy however the two versions should be identical as far as content.
 
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H&W Control was a commercial developer sold for use with H&W Control film which was a microfilm. Here is the recipe.


Distilled water (50°C) …………………………………………… 300 ml
Sodium sulfite (anhy) ……………………………………………… 8.0 g
Hydroquinone ……………………………………………………………………… 1.2 g
Sodium carbonate (anhy) ………………………………………… 30.0 g
Phenidone ……………………………………………………………………………… 8.3 g

Solution 2

Distilled water (50°C) …………………………………………… 600 ml
Sodium sulfite (anhy) ……………………………………………… 60.0 g

Method of Preparation

Make up the two solutions. Add Solution 2 to Solution 1 and dilute to 1 liter.

Usage

Dilute 1+15 with distilled water. Average development time is 11 - 15 minutes
at 20°C. Agitate continuously for the first minute and then for 5 seconds every 3 minutes.

I am not presently able to get to my copy however the two versions should be identical as far as content.

Thank you Gerald. I was wondering about the origins of H&W Control. I think this French site goes a little further by suggesting a concentrate in glycol, In the original formula as you list it the stability is rather limited, in my tests a change in activity was noticeable after 3 months in tightly closed portions filled almost to the top and stored in the dark. Also notably, the French version contains very little sulfite compared to the original.
 

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Here's what I have in my notes. In the late 1960's, Harold Holden and Arnold Weichert patented a Phenidone based, ultra-low contrast developer. In 1972 they offered it for sale with Agfa Copex Pan Rapid microfilm repackaged as H&W Control VTE Panchromatic film "VTE" stood for Very Thin Emulsion. Good results were obtained with copy films at about ISO 25-40, and with microfilms at 50-80. Agfa Copex was
rated at 80.
 
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Here's what I have in my notes. In the late 1960's, Harold Holden and Arnold Weichert patented a Phenidone based, ultra-low contrast developer. In 1972 they offered it for sale with Agfa Copex Pan Rapid microfilm repackaged as H&W Control VTE Panchromatic film "VTE" stood for Very Thin Emulsion. Good results were obtained with copy films at about ISO 25-40, and with microfilms at 50-80. Agfa Copex was
rated at 80.

From what you say, Gerald, it is no big surprise I got pictorial contrast with this developer on Rollei Retro 80S. Kentmere 100, in comparison, is too flat. My only grudge is that I found the aqueous concentrate stability to be below that of Jean Fage's developer.
 
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Hi Radhu, I did try it with a large number of different films, and this developer is still one of my favorites. But I was not specifically focused on contrasty technical emulsions (where I actually had more luck with the Jarai metol-phosphate developer I posted in the resource), if this is what you would like to know.

One thing I found is that for maximum contrast dampening effect it pays to do two things. First, pH of A concentrate should be adjusted to ~7.8 (with whatever you may have on hand). This is because sodium sulfite can be as high as 10.5 (10% solution) here in Canada, and this results in an overly active developer with large grain showing up in highlights. Second, do a series of preliminary tests on a specific film. First, you should determine the time in the A bath (1+19) when the highlights of images appear. They will be brownish in appearance. This time can be as short as 5 min for Foma 100 and as long as 10-12 minutes for some others. Then in the same way you need to determine the time of barely adequate development in B (1+19) only (can be 6 min for Foma 100 and a long as 15 minutes for several ISO 400 films I tried). Then you combine the results to develop in A and then in A+B. In hindsight, it makes sense, since solution A is actually very close to a metol-sulfite developer once known as "Mimosa", except it is used very dilute; the B bath is a very active PQ developer that by itself has pH 10.5 (diluted), close to the one suggested by Wiederman, so it will result in a relatively large grain. However, A+B has pH 9.5, so the result is similar to Ilford Ilfosol, but with contrast reduction. I have a suspicion, but cannot be sure for now, that it also works best with thicker emulsions, of which Adox Silvermax is one, and Ilford Pan F is another. The reason is probably that metol retained in the emulsion depth contributes more to the image once pH raises upon mixing of A and B.

I am eyeing CMS 20 but at present I am occupied with projects that benefit from a temporary heat wave.
 
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