Original Kodak HC 110 is back, from Fotoimpex!

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If this is the same formula that was produced over the past three years, does that mean it's the original viscous formula or the more recent, less viscous formula? I assume the latter and therefore not the 'original' formula but I guess you'll find out for sure when it arrives.
 

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“we purchase the original mixture from the exact same manufacturer who produced this for Kodak over the past three years.” Says Fotoimpex on the site
 

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otto.f said:
“we purchase the original mixture from the exact same manufacturer who produced this for Kodak over the past three years.” Says Fotoimpex on the site
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Yes, but this can be interpreted a couple of different ways. Both the old and the new formulas can be considered "original" as they were produced for Kodak. But since they are purchasing from the manufacturer who made the more recent formulation, my guess is than it's that version, which isn't the old viscous formula with great shelf life.

The other thing that perplexes me a bit is that Kodak presumably had some licensing or other legal protection to prevent such a "knock off".
 

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mgb74 said:
But since they are purchasing from the manufacturer who made the more recent formulation, my guess is than it's that version, which isn't the old viscous formula with great shelf life.
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Yup, that is my interpretation. Curious to hear what @darkosaric actually receives.

I think it's cool that Adox has an HC-110 clone, but aren't there a handful of others already on the market? Ilfotec HC, Legacy Pro L110 spring to mind, but I believe there are others too.
 

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Sounds like this is what's been sold since 2019 as official Kodak HC-110 just in a different bottle. Could it be a bulk container sent from USA to Germany where Fotoimpex's Adox plant bottles it for sale??

It's not the "original" thick viscous type, still pretty cool!!
 

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Not to mention that there was a different-strength HC-110 concentrate sold in Europe that was not nearly as viscous or highly-concentrated as the honey-thick syrup sold in the U.S.

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Doremus Scudder said:
Not to mention that there was a different-strength HC-110 concentrate sold in Europe that was not nearly as viscous or highly-concentrated as the honey-thick syrup sold in the U.S.

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That much older version hasn't been produced for some time - I think before the bankruptcy.
The real problem is that post 2018 there appeared to be two versions of HC-110 - one distributed in the EU, and the other produced in the USA.
The EU version said "Made in Germany", and was quite possibly the leftover production from the company related to Tetenal. It was that source that supplied Eastman Kodak prior to the bankruptcy, and then Kodak Alaris until Tetenal went into bankruptcy.
The other, much less viscous version, with a different MSDS, said "Made in the USA" and was less likely to offer extraordinary long life. That was the result of Kodak Alaris' somewhat scrambling attempts to fill the void created by the collapse of Tetenal - as well as move manufacture to the USA.
 

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Doremus Scudder said:
Not to mention that there was a different-strength HC-110 concentrate sold in Europe that was not nearly as viscous or highly-concentrated as the honey-thick syrup sold in the U.S.

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I think this was as Matt mentioned, prior to EK chapter 11 bankruptcy in 2010-12 time frame. Not sure how many of Kodak's suppliers went down with the collapse of the film chemicals required for film and processing, must have been bad.
 

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The -110 designation seems to go back a long way, this msds dated 2007:

Kentmere K110 Liquid Film Developer - Freestyle Photographic ...

Kentmere K110 Liquid Film Developer - Freestyle Photographic Read more about developer, irritation, carbon, hazardous, respiratory and contaminated.
www.yumpu.com

This msds from the Fotoimpex link msds en suggests that theirs is also a potassium sulfite based version.

The old, viscous version was based on a a diethanolamine -sulfur dioxide adduct and is reportedly water free.
 
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At my current rate of consumption my supply of the "original" goopy stuff will likely get me to next spring, hopefully by then what currently seems a bit confused will clarify! My working methods definitely prefer a long shelf life concentrated liquid to use one-shot.
 

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My bottle of goopy stuff is probably only going to last another few weeks. I recently purchased a bottle of Legacy Pro L110 which, based on reviews I've read, is pretty close to a drop-in replacement for HC-110. I guess I'lll find out shortly...
 

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"Kodak chemicals are temporarily unavailable this is why we purchase the original mixture from the exact same manufacturer who produced this for Kodak over the past three years."

So, it is clearly stated that this is not the old viscous version.
 

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darkosaric said:
It is not old thick viscous version, it is newer - more liquid version.
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Hi Darko - thanks - I've never used this HC110 - in your experience what are its strengths and weaknesses compared to Rodinal 1:50 and D76 1:1 (if you've used them), all the rest being equal?
 
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I seldom use D76, but Rodinal I do use often. Rodinal will give more percieved sharpnes, HC110 finer grain. For me personally I used HC110 most of the time for Ilford HP5+ , somehow I liked it more in HC110 than in Rodinal. Not the grain size, cannot point what exactlly works better for my taste - but for HP5+ I use HC110.
 

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logan2z said:
My bottle of goopy stuff is probably only going to last another few weeks. I recently purchased a bottle of Legacy Pro L110 which, based on reviews I've read, is pretty close to a drop-in replacement for HC-110. I guess I'lll find out shortly...
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So what is your conclusion on this developer. I just recently bought a bottle and have not tried it yet.
 

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The FOTOIMPEX Product is the thinner and clearer version which is made in the USA.
We just released the old "water-free" thick syrup as well under the ADOX brand. This version is made in house.
They can easily be distinguished by color and how they flow in the bottle.
 

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When or where is this developer available in the US? Also where can I find the Adox film cleaner?
 

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Fantastic news!

I noticed you now have 2 versions of both your D76 and your HC110 product. 4 products in total.

Will you keep producing all 4 going forward and if so, are there any advantages in your 'old' products (D76 'eco' and old Fotoimpex thin HC110) compared to their newer versions?
 

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albireo said:
Fantastic news!
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agreed, thanks for all the effort.

albireo said:
Will you keep producing all 4 going forward and if so, are there any advantages in your 'old' products (D76 'eco' and old Fotoimpex thin HC110) compared to their newer versions?
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I think with "D-76 Eco" vs "D-76 Classic" things have been answered pretty extensively in it respective thread:
the Eco version is more economically friendly at the cost of a shorter shelf life.

On the HC-110, the classic syrup states on the bottle "Extra-long shelf live", but not how long exactly. the newer fluid version states 2 years for the concentrate and 6 months for the working strength.
Interestingly, both list Dilution B as 1+31, so the concentration of the active chemicals seems to be the same, and the price is very similar too too (the syrup being 8% more expensive)
 
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