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if you have the room, the freezer, the electricity and will ... sounds like a plan !
@jnanian: Yes, OMMV. One's Mileage May Vary. There are so many possible variables if one wants to start in with the "What if's.........." My point to the OP that stirred the hornet's nest is that MY experience over decades of freezing film, B&W and color, had no discernible downsides. No doubt brand/model, especially in color, MIGHT have some variable.
But for me, freezing works perfectly.
As an aside, speaking of frozen film:
http://www.atlasobscura.com/article...y-through-to-most-surreal-of-arctic-disasters
@jnanian: Yes, OMMV. One's Mileage May Vary. There are so many possible variables if one wants to start in with the "What if's.........." My point to the OP that stirred the hornet's nest is that MY experience over decades of freezing film, B&W and color, had no discernible downsides. No doubt brand/model, especially in color, MIGHT have some variable.
But for me, freezing works perfectly.
if you have the room, the freezer, the electricity and will ... sounds like a plan !
You know what "CYA," means, no? Ilford HAS to take the conservative position. And it's certainly better safe than sorry.
But this isn't an airplane with terrible consequences if a bad decision is made. I've yet to find rust on any metal part, ever. Now, historically I don't shoot lots of film compared to many here, but OTOH, I've not had one failure, in regards rust.
All of my film has been frozen since 2001 in both dry Denver and humid Florida. Sporadically, since about 1981.
If you have not had any problems freezing film that does not prove anything.
If Ilford say their tubs are not hermetic and you say they are, who do you think I should believe?
If you have not had any problems freezing film that does not prove anything.
If I have rusty cassettes straight out of boxes and tubs Ive just opened then moisture got in somehow?
Have you tried Russian roulette to assure us it is no problem? If you say you have tried it twice, do you think we would want to try it just to confirm?
I've watched a person, open a tub look at a leader, which was multi colour, and discard the cassette in street trash can, he keeps his in a fridge.
If you need to fridge or freeze you are at risk, you could try zip lock bag with fresh silica gel. Cause water will destroy film very quickly.
Originally Posted by MattKing (there was a url link here which no longer exists)
Those polyethylene "cans" do not fully block the ingress of moisture. Depending on the humidity you work with, and things like whether your freezer is an "automatic defrost" type, you can end up with a fair amount of humidity inside the cans and, in a worst case scenario, rusty cassettes.
The foil pouches that 120 film is packed in do block moisture.
How do you figure that, Matt? I have high respect for you, so I'm curious.
The "cans" may be relatively impermeable, but the caps on them don't seal well enough to guarantee that no moisture will get in.
They do a pretty good job of protecting the film against all sorts of stuff, but they are not perfect with moisture.
You know that song, from the movie Frozen? Let it go... Let it go...
@jnanian: Thanks. It's human nature to convince others that they must believe and do just as we do, isn't it? By doing so, we increase our perception of ourselves as more valuable.
Hooey on that. All I've been trying to say is, "It works for me, I've never found a problem." Heck, throw your film in the trash two years before it "expires," I don't care. But don't try to rationalize it to me.
flash frozen or whatever .. the best thing to do with film is expose it
Exactly!
Photography, as you and I know as old timers, has always attracted retentives. Ansel Adams was one, and for that we can be thankful!
@jnanian: Thanks. It's human nature to convince others that they must believe and do just as we do, isn't it? By doing so, we increase our perception of ourselves as more valuable.
Hooey on that. All I've been trying to say is, "It works for me, I've never found a problem." Heck, throw your film in the trash two years before it "expires," I don't care. But don't try to rationalize it to me.
flash frozen or whatever .. the best thing to do with film is expose it
Hallelujah! That's what I was hitting at: people that just stock film ("just in case it dies") and DON'T use it.
Personally I don't go out of my way just to get a few expired or out of production rolls.
When a film goes out of production, just like the Lucky Colour films in 2012 did, I'll just leave it and change to another that is in production.
The result is that I have still some rolls left over as I moved to Agfaphoto films. They are to be used this Spring. Most of the 20 rolls I had went to strangers in the street as whenever someone asked me about my film camera, I gave a roll for them to try. That is a good use of expired film!
Recently I bought a couple of Ilford FP4 expired in 86 just to get the cassettes as they are re-usable for my fresh bulk films.
Last weekend a good friend of mine gave me a roll of Ilford HP4 expired in 1971 (44 years old). It is now in use in my Nikkormat.
There is nothing wrong if you left some films expiry on purpose, for experiments, cross-processing or whatever.
The bad thing is to have expired film, because you didn't use it as you went "to other lands".
I really hoped that people that don't want to use film (gone digi) could give it away to some kids in the street or educational establishments, instead of trying to make a "quick buck".
Nice thoughts, BUT: They need a film camera. Once in awhile I see one in Goodwill. I'll bet they continue on to the trash. Then, even if they shoot the film, they need to find a processor. As my contemporary thread points out, local C-41 processing is history. And if you jump that hurdle, how you gonna get them on Instagram?
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the physicist i speak with from time to time really
thinks it is funny that photographers are so anal retentive
about protecting their film from cosmic rays :w00t: .....
physicists not being photographers and photographers not being fluent in basic physics, chemistry are identical twins.
both parties knowledge and experience in regards to this thread is worthlessly irrelevant.
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