Oh no! Yet another b&w film...

[DeletedAcct1]

https://www.facebook.com/macodirect/photos/a.1977380305825607/2815428292020800/

 

[Donald Qualls]

Wow, ISO 640?

 

[AgX]

For those as me who cannot access the respective Facebook site:

https://www.macodirect.de/en/detail/index/sArticle/6399


(By the way, I never heard of "35mm pocket film".)

 

[dourbalistar]

Kosmo Photo also had an article about this film recently. I don't use Facebook, so I don't know if it's repeated information:
https://kosmofoto.com/2020/09/new-p...white-films-mark-100th-anniversary-of-rollei/

 

[cmacd123]

Wow, ISO 640?

Very Interesting, I wonder if it is some sort of Push Process setup.

 

[Sirius Glass]

But no film in 120 rolls!

 

[Donald Qualls]

Very Interesting, I wonder if it is some sort of Push Process setup.

If they're labeling as ISO 640, they're claiming they've gone through the ISO testing process and the film gave that result. That's not a push, though it does allow the manufacturer to specify a contrast index for the speed they claim. There are films around with higher native speeds, though -- Delta 3200 has a real speed above 1000, and so does T-Max P3200 (their marketing names give a pushed speed, but the manufacturer data sheets make it pretty clear that's a pushed speed). The old Royal X Pan had a real speed of 1600 (and grain like golf balls).

 

[cmacd123]

If they're labeling as ISO 640, they're claiming they've gone through the ISO testing process and the film gave that result. .

recall that the folks selling this once had two different products - with two different speed ratings - that were both cut from the same type of Aero Film.

 

[ic-racer]

FYI: ISO speeds have a range of acceptability under the definition, depending on the manufacturer's specified conditions.

 

[Donald Qualls]

Exactly. Different CI specs give some level of variation in ISO speed for the same emulsion, but it generally has to be something the end user can achieve with a similar process. So, for instance, Copex Rapid has an ISO speed of some ridiculous figure (500?) in its normal use, where it's developed to a gamma well above 1, but if it were retested in a low contrast developer (such as is used to give "continuous tone" negatives for things like subminiature cameras) it would come out with an ISO speed between 50 and 80, at best.

 

[Anon Ymous]

FYI: ISO speeds have a range of acceptability under the definition, depending on the manufacturer's specified conditions.
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Wait, apart from the specific density difference between these two points, isn't there a specific exposure difference between them, equal to 4,33 stops? I was under the impression that the developer used wasn't important, as long as the film achieved the claimed speed.

 

[DeletedAcct1]

I'm curious about this new film. Anyone knows what it is?

 

[Donald Qualls]

Hmm. Rollei Supergrain developer, 1+9 for 8 minutes, or 1+12 for 9:30. Lots of grain in the example images; I'm guessing this is a stock we've seen before from Macophot at ISO 400, with a specified process that pushes the speed 2/3 stop. Supergrain recommended dilutions look a lot like Dektol; if it's a phenidone/Dimezone-based Dektol substitute, it would give about that much speed increase -- and Dektol-like grain.

 

[pentaxuser]

I'm curious about this new film. Anyone knows what it is?

HP5+ ? Nice names tho' are Paul and Reinhold. I look forward to users' experience and whether Paul is judged better than Reinhold or vice versa . Even identical twins can behave differently

pentaxuser

 

[Pentode]

Hmm. Rollei Supergrain developer, 1+9 for 8 minutes, or 1+12 for 9:30. Lots of grain in the example images; I'm guessing this is a stock we've seen before from Macophot at ISO 400, with a specified process that pushes the speed 2/3 stop.

That was, more or less, my thought, too.

Maco doesn't manufacture film. They rebrand other film stocks under either the Maco or Rollei name. I'm not suggesting that the practice is good or bad (I'm perfectly happy to buy Agfa Aviphot Pan 80s under the name Rollei Retro 80s), but it does make it difficult to know what you're actually shooting. Maco's film stocks seem to run the gamut from new, fresh stocks from a variety of manufacturers to old surveillance and traffic stocks and they're not very forthcoming when it comes to providing information about it. As IC-Racer points out, ISO ratings can be changed based upon processing so the same film stock can be marketed as something else entirely even when it's not something else at all. The extremely wide latitude and high speed this film is touting would lead me to think this is some sort of surveillance film but it's unlikely Maco will ever tell us for sure.

 

[pentaxuser]

If a "new" film is not a new film by any real definition of new then it debases the marketing of it as such. Worse than this is the fact that it can plant doubts about the validity of other information from the same source.

Paul and Reinhold give me the feeling of unpretentious reliability. Fantome 8 is a mixture of the Left Bank with a hint of Gallic darkness a la the film Rififi or even Harry Lime in high contrast post-war Vienna whereas Babylon 13 has a hint of the Arabian Nights, fast moonlight rides on a fine horse across the exotic desert with a handsome Sheik at the reins.

pentaxuser

 

[DeletedAcct1]

If a "new" film is not a new film by any real definition of new then it debases the marketing of it as such. Worse than this is the fact that it can plant doubts about the validity of other information from the same source.

Paul and Reinhold give me the feeling of unpretentious reliability. Fantome 8 is a mixture of the Left Bank with a hint of Gallic darkness a la the film Rififi or even Harry Lime in high contrast post-war Vienna whereas Babylon 13 has a hint of the Arabian Nights, fast moonlight rides on a fine horse across the exotic desert with a handsome Sheik at the reins.

pentaxuser

I immediately steer away from "limited edition" films for obvious reasons. It would be much more informative and practical if Maco could state where the film comes from: that won't affect the sales at all, since most probably the original emulsion isn't directly available to normal customers.

 

[MattKing]

If a "new" film is not a new film by any real definition of new then it debases the marketing of it as such. Worse than this is the fact that it can plant doubts about the validity of other information from the same source.

I guess you don't approve of those ads for the "new and improved" version of your laundry detergent.
In these times where marketing and distribution is fragmented and more likely to be seen on a social media platform (with individual ads customized to individual users) than in a magazine, the value of a particular name seems to be rapidly disappearing.

 

[pentaxuser]

I guess you don't approve of those ads for the "new and improved" version of your laundry detergent.
Matt when U.K. TV first got a commercial station it was called ITV standing for Independent Television and featured ADs such as someone turning a hose towards the announcer who had a sheet of very clean clear glass that you couldn't see that was in front of him and who stayed perfectly dry of course . This was the same kind of invisible shield he said that protected your teeth if you used toothpaste X The other AD that sticks in my mind and in my craw was that a washing machine manufacturer recommended washing powder X for its machines for the best results

Over 60 years on and the same snake-oil salesman mentality still works with a generation that is at least 3 times removed from those susceptible to that kind of BS. So no progress in over 60 years and three generations of adults since then. Educationalists have a lot to answer for.

pentaxuser

 

[Athiril]

Also there is now Shanghai GP3 in 400 speed... in 35mm and 120, and 220

 

[pentaxuser]

Also there is now Shanghai GP3 in 400 speed... in 35mm and 120, and 220

Is this a reference to the Chinese gent who seems to be the only source for 220 so far or is there now evidence that 220 is genuinely coming off the Shanghai production lines and have you seen anything to indicate its distribution through other retail channels?

Note: This is a question seeking information and is not a challenge, just in case there is any misunderstanding.

Thanks

pentaxuser

 

[Ian Grant]

If they're labeling as ISO 640, they're claiming they've gone through the ISO testing process and the film gave that result. That's not a push, though it does allow the manufacturer to specify a contrast index for the speed they claim. There are films around with higher native speeds, though -- Delta 3200 has a real speed above 1000, and so does T-Max P3200 (their marketing names give a pushed speed, but the manufacturer data sheets make it pretty clear that's a pushed speed). The old Royal X Pan had a real speed of 1600 (and grain like golf balls).

The ISO testing means it's been tested either by the ASA/BS method or the German DIN method, Kodak had the ASA method altered because Tmax 100 couldn't meet the existing standard. I assume the BS (British Standard) also changed.

Ian

 

[Donald Qualls]

The ISO testing means it's been tested either by the ASA/BS method or the German DIN method, Kodak had the ASA method altered because Tmax 100 couldn't meet the existing standard. I assume the BS (British Standard) also changed.

More details about how T-Max 100 was failing the ASA method testing (presumably on introduction)?

 

[Athiril]

Is this a reference to the Chinese gent who seems to be the only source for 220 so far or is there now evidence that 220 is genuinely coming off the Shanghai production lines and have you seen anything to indicate its distribution through other retail channels?

Note: This is a question seeking information and is not a challenge, just in case there is any misunderstanding.

Thanks

pentaxuser

Attached some images, its retail film.

 

[Paul Howell]

So on the 100 anniversary of the Rollei TLR they've released a rebranded film. How about a new TLR with film and digital backs, matrix metering, 2.8 taking and view lene?