I will not say anything against - but one question : " What will you do at the time -no kid is any more avaible?" Then you should listen what our two experts here are discussing - because then you have to be an expert for you own in film chemestry!I can only say that I have been using the Tetenal E6 kit with blix for about a decade now and always get great looking results. As good as when I used the kodak 6 bath E6 home kits that were once available.
But, I also mix up and process all films in day or two then discard the chemicals.
I used to worry about using blix but not anymore. And the Tetenal kit is so look much easier to use than 6/7 bath kits. Easy mixing ratios and fewer steps.
You can definitely mix a powerful BLIX from RA version of Bleach III and Ammonium Thiosulfate plus pH adjustment. Rollei actually markets a BLIX made from Ammonium Ferric EDTA, Ammonium Ferric PDTA and Ammonium Thiosulfate.You missed part of my point - the one about activity.
You are aware, that Tetenal does just that - sell BLIX kits to low volume amateurs, and process chems with separate bleach and fixer to pro labs. AFAIK 5 liter kits were the largest BLIX kits they ever marketed.One other very important point. Manufacturers make these solutions for existing commercial labs. These folks have equipment designed for traditional chemistry. It's all good for Tetenal and others to make a niche product for low volume users.
There's no way labs that do serious commercial work are going to take short cuts. And Noritsu isn't going to invest in new film processing equipment that uses blix.
With current demands on bleaching action from modern C41 films, Bleach III is used without dilution, and it uses a stronger bleaching agent than NH4FeEDT
PE
You can definitely mix a powerful BLIX from RA version of Bleach III and Ammonium Thiosulfate plus pH adjustment. Rollei actually markets a BLIX made from Ammonium Ferric EDTA, Ammonium Ferric PDTA and Ammonium Thiosulfate.
You are aware, that Tetenal does just that - sell BLIX kits to low volume amateurs, and process chems with separate bleach and fixer to pro labs. AFAIK 5 liter kits were the largest BLIX kits they ever marketed.
I understand your frustration. In the 45 years of experience in my field I've run in to similar situations many times. Sometimes, no, usually there is no magic bullet for a problem no matter how badly it is wanted. People get frustrated and mad, but that is the way it is. I've been wrestling with the 2 C41 options for over a year; do I settle for Blix with it's shortcomings for cost and convenience, or bleach and fix with it's baggage. In the end only I can decide what is best for me and live with the outcome.Gentlemen, both Fuji and Kodak market a bleach then fix process with intervening washes and a final rinse for C41 and a similar process for E6. This process sequence, using current films, gives the best and most consistent results in seasoned and single use processes that meet or exceed their demands for overall quality.
After about 4 years of R&D into this problem along with dozens of others at EK, with all of their resources behind us, I learned a lot about this problem. Most all of it disagrees with some of the foregoing posts.
I don't think I can keep up with this "conflict" over processing for these color products. I think that I will leave it to the "experts". Good luck to you all and I hope the "experts" are right.
PE
I don't think I can keep up with this "conflict" over processing for these color products.
PE
... we ALL all into the trap layed by Allan!...
No sense in trying to educate some people . There's "Best Practices" and there's everything else.Gentlemen, both Fuji and Kodak market a bleach then fix process with intervening washes and a final rinse for C41 and a similar process for E6. This process sequence, using current films, gives the best and most consistent results in seasoned and single use processes that meet or exceed their demands for overall quality.
After about 4 years of R&D into this problem along with dozens of others at EK, with all of their resources behind us, I learned a lot about this problem. Most all of it disagrees with some of the foregoing posts.
I don't think I can keep up with this "conflict" over processing for these color products. I think that I will leave it to the "experts". Good luck to you all and I hope the "experts" are right.
PE
One point, don't let fear of blix keep you from enjoying home processing. I just got my new PhotoKlassik magazine ,there's some beautiful Ektachrome photos processed on a new Jobo with Tetenal's E6 kit. My experience is don't overuse the Tetenal chemistry. I'm sticking with the Fuji Pro 6 . I've made beautiful Fujichrome transparencies with the old 5L Tetenal kit. I never used it beyond 4 or 5 rolls per liter.I doubt if we'll ever see any such test data. Tetenal does not seem to have any available, which is curious since their blix is suppose to be so good.
PE has seen plenty of data and given enough info to give a convincing case for a separate bleach and fix and for now that is what I will trust, as I have done in the past.
I just love it when people argue with PE about film and film processing which was PE's career and their expertise is what???
To be faire - Alan asked a kind of "unanswered questions" with this thread - the party with blix vs
Chris, freestylephoto.biz sells complete kits of C-41 chemicals that use separate bleach and fix. It's the "Fuji C-41 X-Press Kit - 5 L Processing kit." The also sell separate C-41 fixer ("Kodak Flexicolor Fixer and Replenisher Makes 50 L"). They don't list bleach separately.I don't know if this is in spirit of the postings, but I have been looking online for a source in the U.S. for separate bleach and fix for C41 processing. I've been wanting to try processing C41 with separate bleach for a while now.
Chris
Thanks! I saw that kit on Freestyle but obviously didn't read it carefully enough.Chris, freestylephoto.biz sells complete kits of C-41 chemicals that use separate bleach and fix. It's the "Fuji C-41 X-Press Kit - 5 L Processing kit." The also sell separate C-41 fixer ("Kodak Flexicolor Fixer and Replenisher Makes 50 L"). They don't list bleach separately.
They also sell a Fuji Hunt kit for E-6 that uses separate bleach and fix.
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