Several people have mentioned the buy American/make America great of using Kodak film. Kodak Alaris is UK, though I guess the film Kodak Alaris sells is made by Eastman Kodak, USA. So in essence, outside of movie film, there is no American film company. Bravo to the rest of the world for keeping film (still) alive!
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BrianShaw
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Make England great again too! But free Scotland. 
Uh, oh. Now you've done it!Make England great again too! But free Scotland.
I like to think of Kodak today as being Anglo-American: combining the incredible innovative industrial skills of the US with our self-deprecating sarcasm, wit and sensible approach to gun control.
Nice one. As a Scot I chuckled at this and I promise this wasn't because I had read FujiLove's comment about our self-deprecating sarcasm. It must be in the genesIs that because nobody will pay to buy Scotland?
pentaxuser
Our sensible approach to gun control is spelled out in our Constitution!
Lee Rust
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Perhaps the underlying corporate aim behind this revival of a high speed B&W emulsion is to attract a whole new generation of motivated young photographers, rather than to merely gratify a few grumpy old ones. Budding photo enthusiasts who are just getting into 'analog' right now might really appreciate the extended low-light exposure capabilities to which they are already accustomed in their digital gear. Plus, the distinctive grain structure and tonal scale will immediately and unmistakably mark their work with the cool, moody and/or edgy look of REAL FILM rather than the simulated fuzz of some lame Instagram filter or Photoshop plug-in.
Those EK and Alaris executives who are apparently thinking along these creative lines are definitely not the same ones who so relentlessly axed most of the Kodak films over the past two decades. Certainly the old guard would never even have dreamed of re-introducing Ektachrome in Super 8, not to mention building a brand new camera to shoot it in.
For these developments we could all be a little thankful. Here's hoping for a bright and viable future for the fledgling offspring of the old Yellow Box.
Those EK and Alaris executives who are apparently thinking along these creative lines are definitely not the same ones who so relentlessly axed most of the Kodak films over the past two decades. Certainly the old guard would never even have dreamed of re-introducing Ektachrome in Super 8, not to mention building a brand new camera to shoot it in.
For these developments we could all be a little thankful. Here's hoping for a bright and viable future for the fledgling offspring of the old Yellow Box.
Peter Schrager
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Thank you Lee Rust..i was going to write something but you expressed it so eloquently!
BrianShaw
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And those genes last a long time. It’s been 5 generations since I’ve been a Scot (with some dilution in between) and I still have a case of self-deprecating humor. And as my wife says, a cheap and stubborn attitude to go with it.Nice one. As a Scot I chuckled at this and I promise this wasn't because I had read FujiLove's comment about our self-deprecating sarcasm. It must be in the genes
pentaxuser
That’s why I’m an old fart who’s still using the first camera he ever bought.
Jason Berge
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No 120, no sale.
I don't even own a 35mm camera, but I have 3 medium format systems (Hasselblad V, Hasselblad H and Fuji GX680III) and several vintage cameras, all 120.
Kodaks response that if demand is enough in 35mm they will introduce 120 is flawed. I would buy a crapload of this in 120, but will buy approximately zero in 35mm. How will they gauge my demand from my non-existent purchases?
Jason Berge.
I don't even own a 35mm camera, but I have 3 medium format systems (Hasselblad V, Hasselblad H and Fuji GX680III) and several vintage cameras, all 120.
Kodaks response that if demand is enough in 35mm they will introduce 120 is flawed. I would buy a crapload of this in 120, but will buy approximately zero in 35mm. How will they gauge my demand from my non-existent purchases?
Jason Berge.
Jason Berge
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PS. My mother is Scot.
Colin Corneau
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Hardly a shot...more like savvy (and kind of funny) marketing.
They were gracious enough to say in a follow-up post that they say it's great that there's more film being introduced.
BrianShaw
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Clever... very clever!
This is fantastic news. High speed films are great for many situations. I'd use it all the time if it lasted longer. I hope supply chain is good. In the old days, frequently there was a lot of base fog.
I can go back and check the old films for base fog against the new when I get some.
The old version was about 1000 EI in my equipment which was consistent with every other test as far as I know. My use was to shoot at 1/30 and wide open and print what ever was printable.
I can go back and check the old films for base fog against the new when I get some.
The old version was about 1000 EI in my equipment which was consistent with every other test as far as I know. My use was to shoot at 1/30 and wide open and print what ever was printable.
Andrew O'Neill
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Wow! I took a break from here for a month and this is what happens?? Maybe if I go away and come back in another month, we might see another emulsion of yore!
Perhaps P3200 has been brought back to compete with digital cameras' ability to use high ISO numbers.
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Delta 3200 already fills this need.
But that does not mean that Kodak is prohibited from reentering the market, besides the grain is different.
B&Wpositive
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Awesome! This is one of my favorites. I like low-light b&w, and never tried the Ilford equivalent because Kodak had their version and it worked well. I never thought they would really bring it back, but I thought it would be great if they did. And now they have...what a surprise! I still have a few rolls left from before it was discontinued.
Kodak has never sold a TMZ in 120 format, so I guess launching such a product would require some additional R&D. OTOH the potential benefit in form of sales is much lower, as 120 film sales are generally only a single digit percentage of 35mm sales volume, it is almost a niche compared to 35mm, irrespective of how many "craploads" of the stuff you personally buy. I am quite sure that based on their experience with their existing portfolio Kodak will be able to estimate demand for a 120 version of film quite accuractely once they see the sales figures of the 35mm version. They can then decide if the risk is worth taking. Kodak is a company in difficult financial situation, so I find their approach completely sensible and comprehensible ...
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Minoltafan2904
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That is true, the original TMZ was only ever available in 35mm.
I guess Kodak knows though that if they want to compete with Ilford they need it in 120 too.
But given the backing paper issues they've been having, i understand them being wary about putting a 120 out yet.
Jason Berge
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I'm sorry, are we talking about the same Kodak? The one that managed to take one of the, if not the most successful brands in the industry, and drive it into the ground earlier this decade. The same company that invented digital photography, then completely missed the boat. (Eastman Kodak) I truely hope not. I hope Kodak Alaris takes the resurgence of film and runs with it, and does not stumble. But hey, there is always Ilford.
tomfrh
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How does this film compare to delta 3200.
Never been much of a fan of delta due to the grain.
Never been much of a fan of delta due to the grain.
Anon Ymous
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Be prepared for contradicting opinions!
Seriously, it's difficult to make objective comparisons, even if you have the best of intentions. There are many variables involved and it's very easy to compare apples to oranges. Exposure levels, density, developer used, contrast, etc, etc will seriously affect results. Both films are grainy, that's for sure. If I had to make a guess, I'd probably say that Delta 3200 is a bit grainier, but not a lot. But then, I might be wrong, I haven't made objective tests, and I seriously doubt that anyone here has. When it comes to curve shape, I think Delta 3200 has a more pronounced shoulder. This might be useful in some cases where you want to keep contrast low, but might make things a bit bland in other cases. TMZ probably has a straighter characteristic curve.
Anyway, these are just my 2c, only you can really tell what's better for you.
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