Official : Kodak P3200 Tmax is back

[dutchsteammachine]

Now if it comes out in 120 and sheet film, please tell me. What is the speed of the DX code?

Doubt it, Tmax P3200 TMZ only ever came out in 35mm.
Used to be 3200 ASA, not sure if that is true for the soon-to-be sold film.

 

[Minoltafan2904]

"Re-entry into the market will be 35mm. Once we see how it goes and what the market demand is, we’ll look at 120"

12:28 PM - 23 Feb 2018 ( Kodak Professional replied to a comment asking about if it would come in 120 )

When asked about Ektachrome some months ago they basically said the same thing too.

 

[RattyMouse]

Now if it comes out in 120 and sheet film, please tell me. What is the speed of the DX code?

3200

 

[nbagno]

Questions:
If you currently use Ilford d3200, why would you switch to Kodak p3200?
If you aren't currently using Ilford d3200, why would you try Kodak p3200 now?

Cause you want to make America great again?

 

[kb3lms]

This is fantastic news. More films, more options is better. Maybe EK / KA are learning to better manage volumes. Since I would guess this film is essentially a new run of the discontinued film, I can only hope that they will consider bringing other ones back as well - even if they only make it once or twice per year. Maybe TMZ was the easiest for them to restart.

Now, how about Plus-X?

 

[David Luttmann]

SELLING it again. In one of the other threads I finally divulged my suspicion: they are cleaning out an old freezer...

That would not be the case as base fog on even frozen film at that speed would impact results

 

[Oren Grad]

If you currently use Ilford d3200, why would you switch to Kodak p3200?

Why would you choose TX vs TMZ vs HP5 Plus vs Delta 400? They have different grain structures, different characteristic curves, different overall "look and feel". Same thing here. I've used both films in the past, have some Delta 3200 on hand now - just finished a roll of it a couple of days ago - but back in the day I preferred TMZ, and I'm looking forward to trying the revived product when it arrives.

 

[RattyMouse]

Cause you want to make America great again?

I suspect there's a lot of force behind this. I've encountered a lot of people who are loathe to buying foreign products.

 

[RattyMouse]

Why would you choose TX vs TMZ vs HP5 Plus vs Delta 400? They have different grain structures, different characteristic curves, different overall "look and feel". Same thing here. I've used both films in the past, have some Delta 3200 on hand now - just finished a roll of it a couple of days ago - but back in the day I preferred TMZ, and I'm looking forward to trying the revived product when it arrives.

How is P3200 better than D3200?

 

[Cholentpot]

A bunch of kvetchers.

There's a new film out! Hurray!

Will I buy it? Probably not, however it's awesome! Kodak is putting out a new film! Excellent! Maybe it'll lead to something I will buy, huh? How about that.

 

[pentaxuser]

Here's a crop from the Flavr eBook showing the differences between D3200 and the old TMZ.
Buy it and support the guy who did all the film testing: https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/flavr/id1209366480?mt=11

Middle row is box speed. Top row -1, bottom row +1

Just for clarification. When you say middle row is box speed is this the speed on the actual box or the true speed, be that 800/1000 in the case of P3200 or 1000 in the case of D3200?

I clicked on the link you gave but it didn't seem to take me to any testing article or maybe I misunderstood what you meant when you said support the guy who did all the film testing. I ended up at iTunes

pentaxuser

 

[RalphLambrecht]

Questions:
If you currently use Ilford d3200, why would you switch to Kodak p3200?
If you aren't currently using Ilford d3200, why would you try Kodak p3200 now?

grain is not my thing;tryingto avoid it.

 

[wyofilm]

A bunch of kvetchers.

There's a new film out! Hurray!

Will I buy it? Probably not, however it's awesome! Kodak is putting out a new film! Excellent! Maybe it'll lead to something I will buy, huh? How about that.

Oh, dear. Cholenpot, put down the kool-aid!

 

[Oren Grad]

How is P3200 better than D3200?

It's not "better", it's just different.

I shot all three of the high-speed films - Delta 3200, Neopan 1600, T-Max P3200 - when they were originally available. Each had a different characteristic curve, distinctive grain structure, and correspondingly different exposure latitude, processing behavior and resulting tonal scale. At the time I used Neopan 1600 most, then TMZ, and Delta 3200 least. I don't expect we'll ever see Neopan 1600 again, but I thought the same about TMZ and now I'm happy to be wrong about that and looking forward to the chance to use it again.

 

[FujiLove]

We are looking at scans that were digitally reversed?

Yes.

 

[FujiLove]

Just for clarification. When you say middle row is box speed is this the speed on the actual box or the true speed, be that 800/1000 in the case of P3200 or 1000 in the case of D3200?

I clicked on the link you gave but it didn't seem to take me to any testing article or maybe I misunderstood what you meant when you said support the guy who did all the film testing. I ended up at iTunes

pentaxuser

The ISO speed marked on the box. The link is to an eBook available on iTunes. It's a compendium of about 100 films which the guy tested under studio conditions.

 

[Cholentpot]

Oh, dear. Cholenpot, put down the kool-aid!

Double cappuccino will do that to ya!

I may buy a roll of this stuff some day.

 

[wyofilm]

It's not "better", it's just different.

I shot all three of the high-speed films - Delta 3200, Neopan 1600, T-Max P3200 - when they were originally available. Each had a different characteristic curve, distinctive grain structure, and correspondingly different exposure latitude, processing behavior and resulting tonal scale. At the time I used Neopan 1600 most, then TMZ, and Delta 3200 least. I don't expect we'll ever see Neopan 1600 again, but I thought the same about TMZ and now I'm happy to be wrong about that and looking forward to the chance to use it again.

As I am trying to reduce the number of films I use and prefer larger formats for BW, I'm not sure my expected difference will be enough to try p3200, especially since even the d3200 isn't a regular film for me.

 

[wyofilm]

Double cappuccino will do that to ya!

I may buy a roll of this stuff some day.

It probably isn't my cup of cappuccino, but I will probably give it a try despite my firm promise to reduce the number of films I use.

 

[Minoltafan2904]

It's not that D3200 is beter than P3200 or the other way around.
Think of the long list of B&W 400 ISO films there are :
Kodak Tri-X 400
Kodak T-Max 400
Kentmere 400
Bergger Pancro 400
Ilford HP5+ 400
Ilford Delta 400
Ilford XP2 400
Ultrafine Extreme 400
Fomapan 400
Arista 400
Agfa APX 400
Rollei RPX 400
And probably a few more i'm forgetting.
Is any of them better than the other? No, they just have their distinctive looks.

 

[silveror0]

BA DA BOOM. On to another thread.

 

[P.johnson14]

Still going to be using D3200. I don't much care for Kodak's B&W stocks.

Regardless of when they say it'll be on the market, I'll expect to see it a year and a half later, if ever.

 

[RattyMouse]

B&H pre-order price for TMZ appears to be $10.99 (vs $9.29 for Ilford D3200). Fairly competitive.

That's18% higher. Even more so when you consider the strength of the British pound that drives up Ilford's prices. Hardly competitive.

 

[BrianShaw]

99.99% sure that is not the case.
P3200 expires 12 months after production, it would be completely unacceptable to sell as new film, it would be fogged and unusably grainy.

Thank you. Didn't know that. Will cease spreading my fake news speculation!

 

[pentaxuser]

The ISO speed marked on the box. The link is to an eBook available on iTunes. It's a compendium of about 100 films which the guy tested under studio conditions.

Thanks. So these were taken at 6400, 3200 and 1600 respectively. It is difficult to tell how much grain there is with P3200 and D3200 respectively but there doesn't look to be much in it. However it would appear that at each EI setting, the Ilford D3200 has more exposure which provided they were both developed for the time correct for each film and in the same developer, suggests that D3200 is slightly faster than P3200 which accords with the Kodak's account of it being 800 in the likes of D76 and Ilford's account of D3200 being 1000 in ID11

On the price point, i tend to agree with Rattymouse 18% more than D3200 might be OK as a "revival premium" but if this is maintained then I'd have worries about this price being sustainable in the longer term against Ilford's equivalent.

Maybe I am underestimating the Make America Great Again phenomenon. I forget who is famous for using this phrase. Don't tell me as I'll get there in the end and it will only divert matters away from the thread

pentaxuser