Official : Kodak P3200 Tmax is back

[Minoltafan2904]

Does anyone recall what the default DX coding was or will be?

3200.
Although Kodak always intended P3200 to be a variable speed film, many people rated it at 1250,1600,2000, i remember Popular Photography particularly liked it at E.I 2500.

 

[wyofilm]

3200.
Although Kodak always intended P3200 to be a variable speed film, many people rated it at 1250,1600,2000, i remember Popular Photography particularly liked it at E.I 2500.

Hey Minoltafan! You must be excited about the p3200 release - you even changed your avatar for it!

 

[Paul Howell]

That's what I recall as well, which left out using in point and shoots that don't read 3200 and will use a default setting of 100 or even 25.

 

[cramej]

IMO, not that exciting. They made it once, stopped, now they're making it again. I tried it a couple times and didn't like it - thought the grain was too clumpy. I think D3200 and Neopan 1600 are much better.

 

[BrianShaw]

IMO, not that exciting. They made it once, stopped, now they're making it again. I tried it a couple times and didn't like it - thought the grain was too clumpy. I think D3200 and Neopan 1600 are much better.

SELLING it again. In one of the other threads I finally divulged my suspicion: they are cleaning out an old freezer...

 

[wyofilm]

SELLING it again. In one of the other threads I finally divulged my suspicion: they are cleaning out an old freezer...

I hadn't thought of that! In this case, I hope you aren't right.

 

[jim10219]

No sheet film? Not even a 120? Yawn.

At any rate, spending a week long announcing that you're going to make an announcement like this doesn't instill me with confidence in the company. Especially since they're still dropping the ball on Ektachrome. It's got that used car salesman feel to it. "Sorry, that Honda in our ad isn't on the lot, but I've got this car over here for the same price that just needs a little TLC and then it'll be just as good!"

 

[JWMster]

I've used Ilford's 3200 at 3200 in Microphen, and the contrast was pretty decently tamed. The expense is in the development. Don't know if I'll buy any, but I'm sure glad to see Kodak expand their catalog. I suspect if they really were just cleaning out an old refrigerator, they'd announce it as "old stock" or something. So this looks promising to me.

 

[wyofilm]

No sheet film? Not even a 120? Yawn.

The lack of 120 really surprised me since they are going head-to-head with Ilford's d3200. My interest level would certainly be higher with 120 as I rarely shoot bw in 35mm.

 

[FujiLove]

Here's a crop from the Flavr eBook showing the differences between D3200 and the old TMZ.
Buy it and support the guy who did all the film testing: https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/flavr/id1209366480?mt=11

Middle row is box speed. Top row -1, bottom row +1

 

[Minoltafan2904]

Hey Minoltafan! You must be excited about the p3200 release - you even changed your avatar for it!

Oh, not really.
My avatar now is a roll of K25 and Velvia, not P3200

 

[Minoltafan2904]

SELLING it again. In one of the other threads I finally divulged my suspicion: they are cleaning out an old freezer...

99.99% sure that is not the case.
P3200 expires 12 months after production, it would be completely unacceptable to sell as new film, it would be fogged and unusably grainy.

 

[Minoltafan2904]

The lack of 120 really surprised me since they are going head-to-head with Ilford's d3200. My interest level would certainly be higher with 120 as I rarely shoot bw in 35mm.

Well, the old P-3200 was for it's 24 year lifespan only available in 35mm.

 

[Minoltafan2904]

No sheet film? Not even a 120? Yawn.

At any rate, spending a week long announcing that you're going to make an announcement like this doesn't instill me with confidence in the company. Especially since they're still dropping the ball on Ektachrome. It's got that used car salesman feel to it. "Sorry, that Honda in our ad isn't on the lot, but I've got this car over here for the same price that just needs a little TLC and then it'll be just as good!"

They're still doing testing on Ektachrome, they had to start all over again, you can't blame them for not wanting to release a film that has not been thoroughly tested, and that they know will give good consistent results.

 

[wyofilm]

Well, the old P-3200 was for it's 24 year lifespan only available in 35mm.

Didn't know that!

 

[Truzi]

Just what I needed, something else to spend money on, lol.

Hmm, Kodak announced a slide film and came out with a B&W negative film on the way... I wonder how many people are consistent enough to lambast them like Ferrania (only a few so far). I'm not worried about either companies' efforts at a slide film; I'm sure it's not easy, and confident it will come.

I'll definitely try some P3200 - I'd never used it before, so this will be fun. Having more choice is always a good thing. What I would find more exciting, though, is the "why." I think the main issue for film in general is economies of scale; it's profitable, but not at the level the companies were geared for. I'd really like to learn how Kodak has dealt with "right-sizing." Perhaps it is merely academic curiosity, but it is one of the things I found the most interesting about Ferrania.

 

[wyofilm]

Here's a crop from the Flavr eBook showing the differences between D3200 and the old TMZ.
Buy it and support the guy who did all the film testing: https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/flavr/id1209366480?mt=11

Middle row is box speed. Top row -1, bottom row +1

We are looking at scans that were digitally reversed?

 

[warden]

This is great news and I'm glad to hear it. It'll be much better news if they offer it in 120 though, at least for me. But I'll get some rolls in 35mm when it's available.

 

[wyofilm]

What I would find more exciting, though, is the "why." I think the main issue for film in general is economies of scale; it's profitable, but not at the level the companies were geared for. I'd really like to learn how Kodak has dealt with "right-sizing." Perhaps it is merely academic curiosity, but it is one of the things I found the most interesting about Ferrania.

Yes! I find the aspects you listed far more interesting then the exact films being released. (The way things are now, I would trade half the number of films out there for a guarantee of a stable film market.) I would like to believe that there is a way to efficiently produce small runs of films more often. More boutique! More than that I would like to see true cottage industry style machines. Think microbrewery (or microfilms) vs. Budweiser. We would have Portland, Ore's 25 ISO sheet film vs. Flagstaff AZ's 400 iso reversal film. Yep, the film would be more expensive, but so are microbrews. Ferrania is the closest thing that we have to this in the present day. The problem is that they are working with old machines of another time designed for far greater productions.

 

[Minoltafan2904]

It'll be available next month already.

 

[RattyMouse]

Having more choice is always a good thing.

That is not true at all. Supppose Ilford is selling just enough Delta 3200 for this product to be profitable. Suppose a 10% reduction in sales causes this profitability to disappear. This has happened to products at my own company; not enough volume to justify its existence.

This new "choice" we have may prove to be ephemeral. I'd much rather place the future of this film or any film on a company that is well run and has a deep commitment to the future of film by making it its core business.

 

[Lachlan Young]

That is not true at all. Supppose Ilford is selling just enough Delta 3200 for this product to be profitable. Suppose a 10% reduction in sales causes this profitability to disappear. This has happened to products at my own company; not enough volume to justify its existence.

This new "choice" we have may prove to be ephemeral. I'd much rather place the future of this film or any film on a company that is well run and has a deep commitment to the future of film by making it its core business.

Delta 3200 is the second most popular Ilford film in both 135 & 120 (after HP5+ in 135 & 120) on B&H's website currently. There's clearly demand that is relatively price insensitive.

 

[RattyMouse]

Delta 3200 is the second most popular Ilford film in both 135 & 120 (after HP5+ in 135 & 120) on B&H's website currently. There's clearly demand that is relatively price insensitive.

Maybe, maybe not. I dont particularly trust web site ratings.

 

[Paul Howell]

Delta 3200 is the second most popular Ilford film in both 135 & 120 (after HP5+ in 135 & 120) on B&H's website currently. There's clearly demand that is relatively price insensitive.

Would not thought that, would have thought Delta 100, but may explain why Kodak chose Tmax 3200 rather than say PlusX which they could sell in 120 and sheet film. Between the 2, I liked Tmax 3200 better than Delta 3200, but for single push to 800 don't see any reason not to use Tmax 400. I will buy a few rolls, my Pentax IQ zooms will Dx code to 3200, so even 1.5 to 2 push from either 800 or 1200 to 3200 there are time in very poor lighting might work. r I

 

[Sirius Glass]

Now if it comes out in 120 and sheet film, please tell me. What is the speed of the DX code?