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never used it but I will now!! someone should post best way to develop and expose please
 
It seems to have dropped in speed. Emulsive quotes the speed as 800. In the last few days I had seen 1250 quoted - not from Kodak I hasten to add. However it is news to me that Kodak(assuming Emulsive have got it correct) is 200 slower than D3200. I always thought it was the same speed

Price will be key. K diehards may buy it at any premium but unless it competes against D3200 I'd worry about its overall viability. The other issue is that unless Ilford cannot make enough of its D3200 to keep up with demand then it suggests we are close to the limit of fast B&W sales so the market now becomes shared - not ideal for either company I would have thought.

Best case scenario is that there are loads of people who simply dropped their use of fast B&W when Kodak dropped P3200 as it was Kodak or nothing and they will swell the market-place

pentaxuser
 
pentaxuser said:
It seems to have dropped in speed. Emulsive quotes the speed as 800. In the last few days I had seen 1250 quoted - not from Kodak I hasten to add. However it is news to me that Kodak(assuming Emulsive have got it correct) is 200 slower than D3200. I always thought it was the same speed


pentaxuser
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It's ISO800. See link below.

http://imaging.kodakalaris.com/professional-photographers/photographers/professional-films

Edit: Ok, there are conflicting numbers on the web site. The above link says ISO800, while the one below says ISO1000.

http://imaging.kodakalaris.com/sites/prod/files/files/products/F4001.pdf
 
pentaxuser said:
It seems to have dropped in speed. Emulsive quotes the speed as 800. In the last few days I had seen 1250 quoted - not from Kodak I hasten to add. However it is news to me that Kodak(assuming Emulsive have got it correct) is 200 slower than D3200. I always thought it was the same speed

Price will be key. K diehards may buy it at any premium but unless it competes against D3200 I'd worry about its overall viability. The other issue is that unless Ilford cannot make enough of its D3200 to keep up with demand then it suggests we are close to the limit of fast B&W sales so the market now becomes shared - not ideal for either company I would have thought.

Best case scenario is that there are loads of people who simply dropped their use of fast B&W when Kodak dropped P3200 as it was Kodak or nothing and they will swell the market-place

pentaxuser
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Actual ISO is 800 in D-76, up to 2/3 stop higher in XTOL or some PQ developers. Delta 3200 is 1000 in ID-11/ D-76. No change in specification from previous production as far as can be told.
 
pentaxuser said:
Price will be key. K diehards may buy it at any premium but unless it competes against D3200 I'd worry about its overall viability. The other issue is that unless Ilford cannot make enough of its D3200 to keep up with demand then it suggests we are close to the limit of fast B&W sales so the market now becomes shared - not ideal for either company I would have thought.



pentaxuser
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Yes, this dilutes Ilford's product line for sure. Just watch how many here say they are immediate customers for this "new" film.

It would have been better if any new film appearing directly competed with Fujifilm, since they are intent on leaving the film market.
 
Panatomic-X would have been more my personal speed, but I am definitely glad to see this and want to give it a try!
 
I think the emulsion is the same as the old stuff, people disagreed on the actual sensitivity of TMZ.
In 1989 when it came out PopPhoto tested it and they said it was between 1000-1250 ISO.
 
Minoltafan2904 said:
I think the emulsion is the same as the old stuff, people disagreed on the actual sensitivity of TMZ.
In 1989 when it came out PopPhoto tested it and they said it was between 1000-1250 ISO.
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Yes that might be a good rating. But we all should not wonder about a little better characteristics of reintroduced Tmax - special in concern of finer grain.
with regards
 
There is a god, time to replace the two year old stuff in my fridge
 
Questions:
If you currently use Ilford d3200, why would you switch to Kodak p3200?
If you aren't currently using Ilford d3200, why would you try Kodak p3200 now?
 
RattyMouse said:
Price might be an answer to the first question.
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Yes. Might be a difference. I use d3200 on occasion for handheld lower light. Usually shoot ei1600 to tame contrast and grain a bit. Prints in darkroom without problem. I don't expect p3200 to be magically better than d3200, though.
 
Oh I’m in love all over again
 
wyofilm said:
Questions:
If you currently use Ilford d3200, why would you switch to Kodak p3200?
If you aren't currently using Ilford d3200, why would you try Kodak p3200 now?
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Well I do not use film at 3200 asa. On the occasions that I need 800 or 1600 asa I use Ilford HP5 Plus and develop as necessary. I think that for those Kodak High Priests and their acolytes that the return of this film is a good thing. There will be those who have missed it when it was discontinued and its return will be welcomed and I think that the return of any discontinued film can not really be a bad thing.

Also now that Kodak have got this out of thier system will they please get their finger out and proceed to get the slide film promised for the end of last year out on sale. I worries me that Kodak seem to be taking thier cue from Farranie, promise a colour slide film and bring to market a black and white film after breaking the first dead line whille the colour film is a future dream. One thing that does please me is that kodak has not released the B&W film it as an 'Alpha' version with no real data on how it preforms but I do not think that Kodak has slipped to the level of a cottage industry yet.

So full marks for Kodak reinstating a black and white film but its easier to produce, I have read, than colour slide.
Could do better if kodak if paid more attention in class with regards to the colour slide film
 
Willyekerslike said:
Well I do not use film at 3200 asa. On the occasions that I need 800 or 1600 asa I use Ilford HP5 Plus and develop as necessary. I think that for those Kodak High Priests and their acolytes that the return of this film is a good thing. There will be those who have missed it when it was discontinued and its return will be welcomed and I think that the return of any discontinued film can not really be a bad thing.

Also now that Kodak have got this out of thier system will they please get their finger out and proceed to get the slide film promised for the end of last year out on sale. I worries me that Kodak seem to be taking thier cue from Farranie, promise a colour slide film and bring to market a black and white film after breaking the first dead line whille the colour film is a future dream. One thing that does please me is that kodak has not released the B&W film it as an 'Alpha' version with no real data on how it preforms but I do not think that Kodak has slipped to the level of a cottage industry yet.

So full marks for Kodak reinstating a black and white film but its easier to produce, I have read, than colour slide.
Could do better if kodak if paid more attention in class with regards to the colour slide film
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I'm much more impressed by Ferrania's product release than I am with Kodak's. Ferrania brought a film onto the market from ground zero, while Kodak is an active film manufacturer and with distribution mechanisms already in place. I'm sure Kodak had a full list of technical specs ready to go on p3200 since it was only discontinued a couple of years ago.
 
I used Kodak’s. 3200 in the good old days. Have used D3200 occasionally in recent years, mainly at 800 in either my very quiet Retina or Minox III for shooting in dim music venues. Because our eyes and brains can make adjustments that is impossible for camera and film, I am often surprised at the degree of darkness given by my light meter. Depending upon user experiences reported by APUG members, may be willing to give K3200 a try.
What I really want is a return of Plus x and a reversal film in 16mm and Super8.
 
Even if you aren't particularly interested in this particular film, it is undeniable that more films on the market and a larger choice is great.
 
wyofilm said:
Questions:
If you currently use Ilford d3200, why would you switch to Kodak p3200?
If you aren't currently using Ilford d3200, why would you try Kodak p3200 now?
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Both films have the same number in their name, but I never felt they looked much the same, and have always preferred the Tmax.
Have been using the Ilford lately, as there was no other choice for fresh film, and I could get sort of close to the look I wanted, but have still been buying the occasional roll of well out of date Tmax, at two or three times the price, just because it was worth it to me to get what I really wanted.
This is the best news I have heard in a while and totally unexpected.
 
Larry Cloetta said:
Both films have the same number in their name, but I never felt they looked much the same, and have always preferred the Tmax.
Have been using the Ilford lately, as there was no other choice for fresh film, and I could get sort of close to the look I wanted, but have still been buying the occasional roll of well out of date Tmax, at two or three times the price, just because it was worth it to me to get what I really wanted.
This is the best news I have heard in a while and totally unexpected.
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That is interesting. I use d3200, and like it well enough and it is one of the few bw films I shoot in 35mm. Might be worth a try, though I've been trying limit the number of types of films I use.
 
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