New Video regarding HP Design-jet & Digital Negatives

Davec101 · Sep 8, 2012

jimcollum said:
i sent a mail thru Angel's web site, but haven't heard back. After doing a bunch of research tonight, it appears that the Color Calibration dialog only appears if you're connecting the HP Utility to a z3200 printer... so getting his preset converted to the 3100 wouldn't help much

wonder if there's a better ('accurate') plugin for curves.. what I get after calibration is:

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hmm.. dont know about that, like you say the curve shown in your previous post is quite aggressive.

On a side issue what is the paper feed like on the 3100? for the 3200 sheet feeding transparency film was challenging to say the least!

jimcollum · Sep 8, 2012

feeding either sheet or roll with the 3100 isn't an issue at all. I've never had to resort to putting a white piece of paper/tape on the edges to have it recognizrd

jimcollum · May 21, 2013

my z3200 is 'in the mail'

i'll post results/impressions after I've made a few negs.. both silver & Platinum (ziatype)

jimcollum · May 27, 2013

ok.. z3200 up and running

here's the first pass at a step wedge processed on the z3100. It's been a fairly typical curve.. both on an epson 7600 & the hp z3100 (not using QTR for the Epson).

It has always been a struggle to get really delicate high key and low key images... that curve making posterization really hard to avoid.

The first pass at the hpz3200 using the digital negative printer profile discussed here , gives me this curve

i am a *VERY* happy printer.

thank you Angel!!!

jimcollum · May 27, 2013

first image done with the new printer & HP digital negative profile (could never have gotten the low values as subtle as i did in this print before)

Davec101 · May 29, 2013

Interesting feedback, I had nothing but problems with the Z3200 and was glad to get rid of it, the fact that it only uses two inks and sometimes only one bothered me as this is what we were doing some years ago in creating digital negatives.

In the next few months I will be testing the Jon Cone digital negative system which use 7 variations of black to create negatives on my 7880, initial reports from Sandy King are promising and show that the system offers increased resolution. Will update when my review has finished.

jimcollum · May 29, 2013

i haven't tried the new inkset by Cone, but i imagine you're correct. If I were looking for the best possible solution for digital negatives, I'd buy an Epson printer and dedicate it to that (in fact, I may still pick up a 3880 just for that purpose). The z3200 is for a combination of printing both color, b/w inkjet as well as digital negatives (using the same system for platinum over pigment prints takes an order of difficulty out of the equation). I was a long time user of Epson, although the 7600 was my last model. Not being a large volume printer, I had constant nozzle clogs, and had to work through those before many printing sessions. I got my z3100 in 2006, and have had only a single issue (drive belt replacement.. which i was able to do myself easily). Have not had a single clog the entire time. I know everyone has different experiences with brands.. so I'm not assuming that my experience is everyone else's.

*Please* post your findings about the Cone negative inks when you've played around with them. Pretty sure there's a smaller Epson in my future to use with those.

jim

jimcollum · Jul 25, 2013

wasn't able to print this image out before the z3200. (photoshop curve was a bit extreme to get the gradation in the high end)

I think i'll save up and get an epson 3880 & cone's inkset as well..

(the scan picked up some of the paper texture in the print... as always.. looks much better as an actual print)

jimcollum · Jul 29, 2013

another high key image using HPz3200's digital negatives

Lithium Palladium Ziatype

Ebbs · Jul 29, 2013

Dave & Jim, keep us posted on the Cone digital negatives, if you go that route. I too have been looking into converting my 3800 to the cone inks.

Davec101 · Aug 9, 2013

Ebbs said:
Dave & Jim, keep us posted on the Cone digital negatives, if you go that route. I too have been looking into converting my 3800 to the cone inks.

After a couple of months testing....you can view my review here

Ebbs · Aug 9, 2013

Dave, I look forward to reading your review. Thanks for sharing your findings.

Matt

jimcollum · Aug 9, 2013

damn.. this is going to cost me money

Davec said:
After a couple of months testing....you can view my review here

Davec101 · Aug 13, 2013

Ebbs said:
Dave, I look forward to reading your review. Thanks for sharing your findings.

Matt

Have added an update to the review which shows a simplified visual representation of the PZ workflow, full post can be viewed here

Jim Collum · Feb 3, 2021

Just digging this thread up. Still using the HPZ3200, have had zero issues with it. HP, on the other hand, apparently has new marketting people. They've removed all information about the profiles and instructions necessary to print Digital Negatives. After calling their support team, they asked th eir marketing people where the info could be found, They inisist they've never had anything to do with Digital Negatives.. all videos have been pulled from youtube as well.. Since the material doesn't apparetly exist.. I have the complete set of documentation, profiles for both alt process negatives and silver print negatives, I asked them if i could post that i had them and give them out.. they still didn't know anything about them. If you have or are getting a HPz300.. feel free to contact me for the files

thanks! (previous username jimcollum, but password reset succeeds, but have no idea where it's being sent to. So have created a new account

Jim

Ian Grant · Feb 13, 2021

Dave Chow passed away about a year after last posting in this thread.

Ian

UrsSchutz · Dec 5, 2023

@Jim Collum:

Jim Collum said:
Just digging this thread up. Still using the HPZ3200, have had zero issues with it. HP, on the other hand, apparently has new marketting people. They've removed all information about the profiles and instructions necessary to print Digital Negatives. After calling their support team, they asked th eir marketing people where the info could be found, They inisist they've never had anything to do with Digital Negatives.. all videos have been pulled from youtube as well.. Since the material doesn't apparetly exist.. I have the complete set of documentation, profiles for both alt process negatives and silver print negatives, I asked them if i could post that i had them and give them out.. they still didn't know anything about them. If you have or are getting a HPz300.. feel free to contact me for the files

thanks! (previous username jimcollum, but password reset succeeds, but have no idea where it's being sent to. So have created a new account

Jim

Hi, just got an old HPZ3200. Would you be so kind to share the files?
Thanks
Urs

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