Davec101
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These HP printers look well constructed but I'd be interested to see a comparison between this HP system and the Quad Tone RIP approach. I realise the video is just a short introduction but the only mention of workflow was to click the 'digital negative' setting; whereas QTRip employs a more complex process.
Tom
I would just like to find out what the methodology is for deriving they're version of digital negatives. There is the implication from the video is that all one needs to do is to select the Digital Negative media setting on the control panel and one is set to go.
I would love for Gabe Greenberg to post on the HybridPhoto forum and fill in some details about the new HP printer.
Bob Carne why don't you call him? You've got more professional clout than most of the rest of us so your chance of getting a positive response is apt to be good.
Whatca think?
Don Bryant
Unfortunately the video tells us *nothing* about HP's digital neg technology or how it compares to other methods. What did I learn from this video? Only that Erwitt doesn't make his own negatives or do his own platinum printing.HP recently released a video regarding their latest ink jet printer that has driver setting specifically designed for digital negatives. They are printing 24inch negatives for Elliott Erwitt using green and black inks. A lot of us here have been producing excellent digital negatives for a long while now, however it is an interesting collaboration and shows at least one manufacturer is taking digital negatives quite seriously. I would like to see the actual print before passing judgement however Erwitt seemed happy!
Video link - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8HroH1Leio
Unfortunately the video tells us *nothing* about HP's digital neg technology or how it compares to other methods.
I am sure this information will be available soon, give it some time! Its a new printer that not many people own and none of us have made further enquires yet.
Dave,
Don't get too wound up over this announcement. I'm sure the HP Z3200 can produce very smooth negatives but so can other wide bodied printers.
I think we have every right to be skeptical. Some where or another there is mention of the fact that one can download the Digital Negative module. The implication is that it will be like Manna from Heaven, Manna wa Salwa, food of God. The module was developed by HP Color Scientist and photographer Angel Albarran. This immediately raises a red flag for me, as in who is Angel Albarran? A mystic scientist out of the east who has developed a comprehensive system that is superior to current methods.
Sorry I don't mean to sound dramatic, I'm just a little cautious about announcements like this.
Don Bryant
PS Thanks for the video link.
Dave,
Don't get too wound up over this announcement. I'm sure the HP Z3200 can produce very smooth negatives but so can other wide bodied printers.
I think we have every right to be skeptical. Some where or another there is mention of the fact that one can download the Digital Negative module. The implication is that it will be like Manna from Heaven, Manna wa Salwa, food of God. The module was developed by HP Color Scientist and photographer Angel Albarran. This immediately raises a red flag for me, as in who is Angel Albarran? A mystic scientist out of the east who has developed a comprehensive system that is superior to current methods.
Sorry I don't mean to sound dramatic, I'm just a little cautious about announcements like this.
Don Bryant
PS Thanks for the video link.
Update :
I received an email today out of the blue from Angel Albarran, the colour scientist at HP who devised the digital negative module for the HP Z3200, he wanted to know some further information about my own darkroom set up.
I have written back asking if he would elaborate on the system/module they have developed to create digital negatives with the Z3200. More specifically I asked what methods they are using to fine tune/tweek the digital negatives, is this in the driver?? for me this is quite important.
I have asked If he would post further information on this thread.
I had a chance to skim through the document. There doesn't seem to be anything ground-breaking in there. It boils down to using colorized negatives in PS (or other imaging program), a special printing mode that only uses green and black inks, and using PS curves to linearize the final image.
The most important part, IMO, is that it is a self-contained solution, since the Z3200 can read test charts to create ICC profiles. And that HP is actually paying attention to this small segment of the market. It's far better than getting roughly the same response to questions about printing digital negatives as printing fake money.
Now, I can't afford a $3500 printer, so it doesn't mean a whole lot to me directly. But I really hope they consider pushing this technology down into other printers, even if you have to buy your own chart reader to measure. I also hope that Epson and Canon start paying attention, too.
--Greg
If I could afford this unit I'd get one in a heartbeat.I am really interested in this machine and thanks to dave c for the work getting this information.
Bob
Hi Angel
Welcome to Hybrid,
I am purchasing a new 24inch printer this fall when old leases mature, currently we have a 60inch Cannon IPF9000, and we feel the need for a smaller unit so as not to be changing the big rolls every second or third job.
Does this printer work as a regular printer or is it only adapted for inkjet negatives?
A good friend of mine just joined HP in your Toronto offices and I would like to contact him, but only when the machine is released, as well as the software.
Are there fixed dates when people can order this unit?
Currently for film I am testing stocastic film output from a friends image setter, rollie iso black white film from my lambda, fujiclear film from my lambda and want to test inkjet alongside the other three options.
and thanks for being here to answer any questions , I am sure you will be a great asset to Hybrid.
Personally I think that hybrid photo+digital+analog is the future, so lets go for it.
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