New Kodak Film in 2021?

[Cholentpot]

The 120 vs 120mm issue - I agree with you, because 120mm is both wrong and totally confusing.
I have mixed feelings about Holga and Lomography. There are great things done by some who use them. They have created inroads into communities that would otherwise never have used film. And they also have invoked elements of myth and mysticism that irritate me, particularly when those elements have high prices attached.
Being critical of the myths and those who espouse them isn't the same as being snobbish.
I don't own any Holga or Lomography products. Does pinhole count?

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How about a Brownie Hawkeye?

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Both on 120 film.

Lomo is really anything. It's not the camera, it's the mindset.

I shoot as a Lomographer at times. I just loaded a Target Six-16 with 70mm film and backing paper rolled backwards covering part of the film that's exposed to the window, why not? I'll be developing it in a over used C-41 kit because I can.

I don't expect much but it'll be fun.

 

[MattKing]

I sometimes wish I could get into that mindset, not only with photography but the other arts I practice. It seems liberating in a way. The closest I’ve come so far is buying one of those Harman/Titan pinhole cameras several years ago. Never used it.

You should try it Michael - it is wonderfully liberating.
The very best results come when you play!
And it transfers - even your most technical photography can have life added to it.
I think the new film should be Kodak Gold, in 127!
And they should bring this back too!

(same as the present I got from my mom and dad for my 8th birthday)

 

[Cholentpot]

You should try it Michael - it is wonderfully liberating.
The very best results come when you play!
And it transfers - even your most technical photography can have life added to it.
I think the new film should be Kodak Gold, in 127!
And they should bring this back too!

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(same as the present I got from my mom and dad for my 8th birthday)

I have one of these! The shutter is shot though...

 

[Lachlan Young]

I sometimes wish I could get into that mindset, not only with photography but the other arts I practice. It seems liberating in a way. The closest I’ve come so far is buying one of those Harman/Titan pinhole cameras several years ago. Never used it.

The Olympus Pen half frames (especially the automatic ones) can be very freeing - they're not as deliberately aestheticising as the plastic lens cameras, but they can do quite wonderful things if they get a bit sticky and drop/ collect frames in random ways - given the age of the Pen, I've occasionally wondered if it wasn't pre-loaded with a set of Oblique Strategies cards.

 

[Sirius Glass]

My issue with the plastic camera naysayers isn't their choice not to use them, it's their dismissiveness of the cameras as legitimate image makers. And, yes, I find that to be snobbish (I don't place you, Matt, in that category). A good photographer is a good photographer, regardless of the camera.

Plastic cameras are the gateway drug.

 

[eddie]

I sometimes wish I could get into that mindset, not only with photography but the other arts I practice. It seems liberating in a way.

You should. It's not only liberating, it also teaches you a lot about your vision. Stripping away the controls is sort of primal, in a photographic context. Making a good image with just the most elemental of tools is extremely rewarding.

 

[Agulliver]

It certainly can be freeing and fun to use a simple camera. And great photos are still possible.

Around 20 years ago a professional press photographer was set a task of taking a photograph of the Queen using a vintage box camera and getting it published. He was an old pro who had used film in the past but was now used to scattergun shooting in digital. He knew he had at best two shots using the box camera, given the short time that the queen was close by at whatever event he was photographing. He fired off a couple of shots of the crowd, got his two shots of her majesty, finished his film and hot-footed it to a one hour photo shop....got his film processed and scanned....and got the best shot of the queen in the next day's newspaper. It can be done.

I gave away my vintage Diana camera, but I do have plenty of very old folding cameras and a couple of boxes. Even an Olympus Mju point and shoot. Sometimes it's fun just to go out and shoot from the hip, rather than spend time with an SLR. The sheer simplicity of a box camera or other really simple camera is part of the charm. And yes, for this kind of shooting one does not necessarily use Ektar, Portra or 400H. I mean I *have* put Ektar through my 1899 folding pocket Kodak but it's overkill. I'd rather some "standard" 200ASA C41 film were available....and from what I am told by people actually selling film, so do a lot of others.

The 120mm thing does get to me a bit...not so much when a newbie uses it but I've seen "120mm" on a brand named pack of negative storage sheets. That bugged me.

 

[BrianShaw]

I think the new film should be Kodak Gold, in 127!

That would be great! Perhaps it should be labeled “127/127mm” just to avoid confusion. LOL.

 

[flavio81]

You can very easy seperate them, because they will say 120mm

LOL

 

[K25]

Why don't you share some of your photos. Let us judge the quality of your work.

Trust me, mine are noting special at all.

 

[Ernst-Jan]

That would be great! Perhaps it should be labeled “127/127mm” just to avoid confusion. LOL.

Imagine the confusion when they see 120 and 220 next to each other

 

[wyofilm]

For something new to the market: ISO 24,000 - 40,000 b/w reversal film that gives appearance of Tmax 400.

According to Troop and Anchell in The Film Developing Cookbook, this film was slated by EK for a limited run in 2006, but never happened. Also, according to them it is relatively easy to produce and process.

Sports, concerts, weddings, street, etc. A film that would be a lot of fun to shoot. Such a film would be a marketing sensation.

 

[eddie]

I have a Pen-EE. I constantly have to remind myself to hold the camera vertically if I want a horizontal photo, and vice versa.

 

[Ernst-Jan]

For something new to the market: ISO 24,000 - 40,000 b/w reversal film that gives appearance of Tmax 400.

According to Troop and Anchell in The Film Developing Cookbook, this film was slated by EK for a limited run in 2006, but never happened. Also, according to them it is relatively easy to produce and process.

Sports, concerts, weddings, street, etc. A film that would be a lot of fun to shoot. Such a film would be a marketing sensation.

I have no idea what I could do with such a film. Even inside during nighttime I get f/8 1/2000 @Iso 25600

My cameras only go up to 1/500 or 1/400

 

[Craig75]

Trust me, mine are noting special at all.

exactly. youre the judge of your work not a load of random douchebags on the internet

 

[eddie]

exactly. youre the judge of your work not a load of random douchebags on the internet

Well, when he demeans the work of others, it seems only right that we get a chance to see what level of excellence he's producing.

 

[Craig75]

Well, when he demeans the work of others, it seems only right that we get a chance to see what level of excellence he's producing.

its a debate as old as the linked ring - at the most extreme if your exhibiting photos with lens cap on or no lens or pinhole at all - you're not going to be hailed as the universal prometheus. At the same time if youre shooting soft, blurred, ultra high contrast, ultra lowcontrast you're deliberately opposing the aesthetic "norm" that won out over 100 years ago - so yes a lot of people wont enjoy it for aesthetic / cultural / philosophical reasons - just roll with it - is it really worth dredging it all up again with "judging" and being defensive of something that at its core is actually confrontational.

 

[K25]

While I unerstand what you mean I think you are exaggerating, especially your other comment about social media. There are always the more extreme ones and the the bulk of reasonable ones. Basically you are complaining that things changed. Like everyone, in every generation does, eventually.

Anyway more to the point. A student on a typical student budget, say not starving but getting along, might well find a way to save up for or even be gifted a nice Rolleicord. A one off is always easier as you can do it whenever you are able to, than ongoing cost that can't be avoided if you want to keep going.

I bought Rolleicord Vb for €400 in late 2019. I think thats possible for many students, who are lucky enough to not just survive. I'd understand if they wanted to save on consumables.

And I would like to see some consumer emulsions in medium format to have another look available. From my experience so far I don't like what I got from Gold and Kodaks 400, but Fuji 100 and 400 would be most welcome in 120. Different saturation, and the 100 has very fine grain. I'd love to have them for large format, too.

And finally, film is a fashion for younger people. And the consumer emulsions are more likely to 'look like film' than a well processed and scanned Portra. Of course Portra will look sufficiently terrible if given it to a drug store chain. The low res scans at Cewe (mega lab), and the prints made from it, are truly Lomo.

PS: Looks like we're living in the same place. At least in our hearts.

Back when I was youngster it was almost impossible to save-up; Nikon F with 50mm f2 lens around £200 Today, that'll be about £2,850.

Machines used to print C-41 like in the 90's are long gone. What's left is nothing more than scan 'n print, like printing images at home. Get a c-41 film and some 80-90's point n shoot camera then leave the film in your car on a summer day and, you'll end up with some type of 80-90's look.

 

[K25]

Well, when he demeans the work of others, it seems only right that we get a chance to see what level of excellence he's producing.

Ok. I travel bit, do photography; events, people, street, visiting some odd banana republics, being arrested for potential espionage because loading a film in post Soviet republic is like "spy from Merica", deported etc. etc.

 

[wyofilm]

I have no idea what I could do with such a film. Even inside during nighttime I get f/8 1/2000 @Iso 25600

My cameras only go up to 1/500 or 1/400

Many have cameras with faster shutters speeds. A zippy F6 with 1/8000 shuttter speed, for example. Perhaps the film pulls well. Or an ND filter would give a photographer with great latitude, even if his camera was limited to a shutter speed of 1/500! I would have a lot of fun with such film.

 

[eddie]

Ok. I travel bit, do photography; events, people, street, visiting some odd banana republics, being arrested for potential espionage because loading a film in post Soviet republic is like "spy from Merica", deported etc. etc.

Thanks for sharing. I like it.
A funny "spy" incident I lived through...
In the mid-80s, I was hired by a property management company to photograph the properties they managed. They managed apartment buildings, offices, and embassies. One of the embassies on my list was the Saudi's. It was the only property I wasn't allowed to access, but they told me to take photos from the street, and that the embassy secretary was aware I'd be aiming a camera at the building. Well, the secretary forgot to tell their security. A few minutes after I started, 3 guys with guns burst through the gate, yelling for me to get on the ground. 2 minutes later, DC Police and the Secret Service showed up, pointing guns at the embassy guards. After a 15 minute standoff, the secretary came out, and said he had forgotten to tell security, and everyone went their merry way.

 

[BrianShaw]

Imagine the confusion when they see 120 and 220 next to each other

220... that’s a 2-pack of 120, isn’t it?

 

[Agulliver]

I could use a very high speed film when the music venues open again....though I usually push HP5+ to somewhere between 1600 and 3200 at the jazz/blues club, faster would be interesting. The ability not to have to shoot wide open at 1/15 second would open up more possibilities....though I enjoy HP5+ and buy the stuff in bulk rolls almost purely for gigs.

Though I have to add that the fastest shutter speed on any of my film cameras is 1/2000, or 1/1000 in 120 format. Many of the cameras I take to gigs top out at 1/300 or 1/400. But the film does sound interesting, and would certainly be unique.

 

[pentaxuser]

Thanks for sharing. I like it.
A funny "spy" incident I lived through...
In the mid-80s, I was hired by a property management company to photograph the properties they managed. They managed apartment buildings, offices, and embassies. One of the embassies on my list was the Saudi's. It was the only property I wasn't allowed to access, but they told me to take photos from the street, and that the embassy secretary was aware I'd be aiming a camera at the building. Well, the secretary forgot to tell their security. A few minutes after I started, 3 guys with guns burst through the gate, yelling for me to get on the ground. 2 minutes later, DC Police and the Secret Service showed up, pointing guns at the embassy guards. After a 15 minute standoff, the secretary came out, and said he had forgotten to tell security, and everyone went their merry way.

Sounds like just another everyday sort of incident in what we call an estate agent's photographer's life

pentaxuser

 

[K25]

I could use a very high speed film when the music venues open again....though I usually push HP5+ to somewhere between 1600 and 3200 at the jazz/blues club, faster would be interesting. The ability not to have to shoot wide open at 1/15 second would open up more possibilities....though I enjoy HP5+ and buy the stuff in bulk rolls almost purely for gigs.

Though I have to add that the fastest shutter speed on any of my film cameras is 1/2000, or 1/1000 in 120 format. Many of the cameras I take to gigs top out at 1/300 or 1/400. But the film does sound interesting, and would certainly be unique.

I use flash, outdoor, indoor etc. Any camera i.e. Nikon F, or Hasselblad, Rolleiflex, Pentax 67, Leica etc.