New Kodak Film in 2021?

[eddie]

Yes. I don't see any quality or aesthetic in them at all.

Why don't you share some of your photos. Let us judge the quality of your work.

 

[Bronson Dugnutt]

Pentax 67 135mm, Ektar 100 under tungsten

 

[Lachlan Young]

I doubt it, I don't say you are not right, but if I look in the groups 120 or Medium format on Flickr, the majority isn't shot on folders or Holgas.

I don't know if you count me to the young ones (I'll turn 30 this year) but I don't even have Instagram. I really enjoy to work with my Mamiya cameras just because the way they work, the feeling. Yes I do like to try different filmstocks, if I get the chance to buy something quite recently expired, I'll buy it. Just for the sake of having it tried out. When I could get Reala, Astia, Plus-X, Agfa APX100 (the real one from Leverkusen) I got really curious.

On the other hand, I also shoot lots of HP5+ and Fuji Pro 400H as my "go to" films.


Anyhow Instagram/Facebook compromise the pictures so much it doesn't matter if you use a Holga or a Pentax 67 II with the newest 105 f/2.4

This altogether probably puts you closer to the average younger film user than many of the people on here seem to want to admit - allowing for variance in choice of social media/ medium for sharing images. It matches up to my experience & many other people I know. Basically we don't want crappy amateur mid-market cameras & dozens of lenses, but good quality kit & one or two excellent lenses - and film stocks chosen by aesthetic rather than market aim point.

 

[Sal Santamaura]

How about TMX-2 or TMY-3?

Now there are two suggestions I could endorse.

TMX-2 with less toe in XTOL 1+1 and TMY-3 without a rising curve in XTOL 1+1:

https://fotoimport.no/fkxtol​

 

[Tom Kershaw]

Now there are two suggestions I could endorse.

TMX-2 with less toe in XTOL 1+1 and TMY-3 without a rising curve in XTOL 1+1:

https://fotoimport.no/fkxtol​

A T-Max 100 film that could be reliably used at exposure index 100 would get my vote.

 

[Tom Kershaw]

TMX 100 can very reliably be used at EI 100.

Yes, with a spot meter, which is what I use for medium format work. However a slightly greater reserve of shadow detail / speed wouldn't go amiss.

 

[Sirius Glass]

TMX 100 can very reliably be used at EI 100.

Virtually all films can be used at box speed, but the Zonistas believe in mindless endless testing to find the mythical IE.

 

[lantau]

I do not care why you or whoever prefers one item above the other. Your choice of preference. That's legit. But bitching about film stock prices, or camera prices while holding at the same time $1,000 smart phone, is cheeky.

While I unerstand what you mean I think you are exaggerating, especially your other comment about social media. There are always the more extreme ones and the the bulk of reasonable ones. Basically you are complaining that things changed. Like everyone, in every generation does, eventually.

Anyway more to the point. A student on a typical student budget, say not starving but getting along, might well find a way to save up for or even be gifted a nice Rolleicord. A one off is always easier as you can do it whenever you are able to, than ongoing cost that can't be avoided if you want to keep going.

I bought Rolleicord Vb for €400 in late 2019. I think thats possible for many students, who are lucky enough to not just survive. I'd understand if they wanted to save on consumables.

And I would like to see some consumer emulsions in medium format to have another look available. From my experience so far I don't like what I got from Gold and Kodaks 400, but Fuji 100 and 400 would be most welcome in 120. Different saturation, and the 100 has very fine grain. I'd love to have them for large format, too.

And finally, film is a fashion for younger people. And the consumer emulsions are more likely to 'look like film' than a well processed and scanned Portra. Of course Portra will look sufficiently terrible if given it to a drug store chain. The low res scans at Cewe (mega lab), and the prints made from it, are truly Lomo.

PS: Looks like we're living in the same place. At least in our hearts.

 

[Sirius Glass]

While I unerstand what you mean I think you are exaggerating, especially your other comment about social media. There are always the more extreme ones and the the bulk of reasonable ones. Basically you are complaining that things changed. Like everyone, in every generation does, eventually.

Anyway more to the point. A student on a typical student budget, say not starving but getting along, might well find a way to save up for or even be gifted a nice Rolleicord. A one off is always easier as you can do it whenever you are able to, than ongoing cost that can't be avoided if you want to keep going.

I bought Rolleicord Vb for €400 in late 2019. I think thats possible for many students, who are lucky enough to not just survive. I'd understand if they wanted to save on consumables.

And I would like to see some consumer emulsions in medium format to have another look available. From my experience so far I don't like what I got from Gold and Kodaks 400, but Fuji 100 and 400 would be most welcome in 120. Different saturation, and the 100 has very fine grain. I'd love to have them for large format, too.

And finally, film is a fashion for younger people. And the consumer emulsions are more likely to 'look like film' than a well processed and scanned Portra. Of course Portra will look sufficiently terrible if given it to a drug store chain. The low res scans at Cewe (mega lab), and the prints made from it, are truly Lomo.

PS: Looks like we're living in the same place. At least in our hearts.

Samys give discount for film to students.

 

[Sirius Glass]

I do not care why you or whoever prefers one item above the other. Your choice of preference. That's legit. But bitching about film stock prices, or camera prices while holding at the same time $1,000 smart phone, is cheeky.

Give this poster a free one year membership!

 

[cmacd123]

I wonder if they developed it so they would have sole ownership of a patented film and process. That way, they'd have complete control over development marketing.

I suspect that they knew it was so complicated to process correctly, that they did not trust anyone outside Kodak to be able to process it corectly

 

[Ernst-Jan]

Unfortunately, I know too many people who think sublimely about themselves and their 120 photos.

You can very easy seperate them, because they will say 120mm

 

[Cholentpot]

The snobbery in this here thread is giving me the vapors.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

The snobbery in this here thread is giving me the vapors.

+1

 

[Cholentpot]

Best part? The people that are getting ragged on, the Lomo folk? They don't care.

 

[eddie]

Holga/Lomo is often the entry to chemical photography. A friend's daughter took a high school class which used Holgas. She fell in love with the process. In college, she continued taking classes, moving up to 4x5 for a class. For graduation, her father asked what she wanted as a gift. She wanted her own 4x5 kit.

 

[Sal Santamaura]

How about TMX-2 or TMY-3?

Now there are two suggestions I could endorse.

TMX-2 with less toe in XTOL 1+1 and TMY-3 without a rising curve in XTOL 1+1:

https://fotoimport.no/fkxtol​

Are you trying to say these two films have these characteristics in XTOL specifically, or just that you like XTOL?...

Both.

....I have not found TMX to very much toe in XTOL 1+1 (or D-76 etc.), and while TMY-2 has a small (practically inconsequential) upward kink in its otherwise very straight curve, it isn’t an XTOL 1+1 phenomenon.

Perhaps your subject brightness ranges up there in Quebec's high latitudes are substantially less than those we encounter here in the southwest U.S. The curves fotoimport.no presents match mine very closely. While nicely rolling off high values, TMX in XTOL 1+1 depresses low values. TMY-2 in XTOL 1+1 elevates high values, requiring heroic burning in effort for many scenes.

I have a lifetime supply of XTOL, purchased many, many years ago, packaged in the old Kodak laminated metal/polyester packets augmented (after my plan was reviewed by Dick Dickerson and Silvia Zawadski, that developer's inventors) via secondary oxygen/moisture barriers provided by placing them in zipped up laminated polyester/mylar anti-static bags. I really like XTOL.

An additional fantasy TMX-2 improvement I neglected to list was increased acutance. No high resolution film looks less sharp than TMX.

 

[eddie]

A low cost introduction to anything can be beneficial.

It's been working for drug dealers for many, many years.

 

[Ernst-Jan]

The snobbery in this here thread is giving me the vapors.

If it is aimed at me... As an engineer I just can't stand that people don't stick to rules (in ISO732) It is called 120 and has been called like that for 120 years. Why do people suddenly find it not important enough to It might be very clear that a medium format roll film is defenitely not 120mm.

 

[Sirius Glass]

The snobbery in this here thread is giving me the vapors.

Vapors? It that like Good Vibrations? Have you ever gotten high on the vapors, I do.

 

[Cholentpot]

Vapors? It that like Good Vibrations? Have you ever gotten high on the vapors, I do.

That Blix stuff has me seeing more than three colors on the traffic light.

If it is aimed at me... As an engineer I just can't stand that people don't stick to rules (in ISO732) It is called 120 and has been called like that for 120 years. Why do people suddenly find it not important enough to It might be very clear that a medium format roll film is defenitely not 120mm.

Because it doesn't matter to them. The same way I'll call a film roll holder for a 4x5 camera a film back. I don't care.

Their goal is to make photos. 120, 120mm, A hundred and twenty film, paper film. Doesn't matter to them. It goes into camera and comes out at the lab.

 

[miha]

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Their goal is to make photos. 120, 120mm, A hundred and twenty film, paper film. Doesn't matter to them. It goes into camera and comes out at the lab.

Which is what matters.

 

[MattKing]

If it is aimed at me... As an engineer I just can't stand that people don't stick to rules (in ISO732) It is called 120 and has been called like that for 120 years. Why do people suddenly find it not important enough to It might be very clear that a medium format roll film is defenitely not 120mm.

The 120 vs 120mm issue - I agree with you, because 120mm is both wrong and totally confusing.
I have mixed feelings about Holga and Lomography. There are great things done by some who use them. They have created inroads into communities that would otherwise never have used film. And they also have invoked elements of myth and mysticism that irritate me, particularly when those elements have high prices attached.
Being critical of the myths and those who espouse them isn't the same as being snobbish.
I don't own any Holga or Lomography products. Does pinhole count?


How about a Brownie Hawkeye?


Both on 120 film.

 

[eddie]

I have mixed feelings about Holga and Lomography. There are great things done by some who use them. They have created inroads into communities that would otherwise never have used film. And they also have invoked elements of myth and mysticism that irritate me, particularly when those elements have high prices attached.
Being critical of the myths and those who espouse them isn't the same as being snobbish.

My issue with the plastic camera naysayers isn't their choice not to use them, it's their dismissiveness of the cameras as legitimate image makers. And, yes, I find that to be snobbish (I don't place you, Matt, in that category). A good photographer is a good photographer, regardless of the camera.

 

[foc]

A good photographer is a good photographer, regardless of the camera.

+1