New ISO 400 "Fugufilm" slide film

[Marcelo Paniagua]

Assuming of course, that Fuji is actually doing manufacturing runs right now for film.

Yeah. Probably they are pulling film stocks from a freezer, next to the twinkies

 

[Sirius Glass]

Also, not sure if Fuji is know for doing custom orders like Ilford/Harman or Foma. Fuji has other priorities and don't think they find it profitable.

I never recall any discussions about Fuji doing custom orders since I joined APUG, only Ilford once a year in the spring.

 

[MattKing]

Custom orders is most likely what is referred to as "toll coating" - the manufacturer producing product to be sold under another brand name.
I believe that Fuji used to do a bit of this. Kodak will do it, if your order is a big one. Harman does it. Of course, Innoviscoat does it. And Ferrania/3M/GAF used to do it a lot.

 

[flavio81]

According to my information, they were the real maker of Konica films(...)
In my personal opinion, the only company in the world that relied on its scientists and researchers to produce color film from scratch after Agfa and Kodak is Ilford (in the period when it was making color film),

Brother Mohmad,

There's a problem: I thought it was widely known that the Ilford color films were produced by Sakura (= Konica).

So if, according to what you say, Ferrania was making Konica/Sakura films, then Ilford wasn't making original research.

I find hard to believe that Ferrania made Konica films. Or that Fuji entered color films with help from Ferrania.

 

[flavio81]

Are you claiming Ferrania was using Agfa formulas to produce Solaris, or that Agfa was actually manufacturing it for them? To be honest, I don’t find either credible. Ferrania Solaris did not look like an Agfa C41 film.

In any case the part in bold can't be credible -- Ferrania had a HUGE factory and to make things profitable it needed to keep it running.

The other part of the business of Ferrania was doing the conversion (cutting, perforating, packaging), to sell brand-label film.

But Agfa also did the same: they used Tura (Tura AG) as the company specialized for conversion for brand-label film.

 

[MattKing]

I expect there was a fair amount of shopping around to get the lowest price on confectioning services for house brand and geographic market films.

 

[Paul Howell]

I know that rebranded Fuji was sold under a number of house brands, Samsung, Polaroid by Walmart, maybe Focal for KMart in the 90s and early 2000s. Reason I know is that how the early modes of Fuji mini labs coded the film for printing. I expect that like Kodak if the order is large enough Fuji would custom coat. Don't know what happened to Konica's coating line when Konica Minolta exited the photo business in 2009 or was it 2006.

 

[faberryman]

I thought K-Mart Focal film was manufactured by 3M/Ferrania, but that may have been just the slide film.

 

[Donald Qualls]

I thought K-Mart Focal film was manufactured by 3M/Ferrania, but that may have been just the slide film.

As previously suggested, this stuff was passed around a bit. Costco used to sell Kirkland branded film that was made by Ferrania, but at some point (late 1990s?) they switched and started selling Fuji Superia with the Fuji name and "4th Color Layer" still prominent and the Kirkland name just added to the Fuji package design. The way I'd imagine this working is that a reseller would contract for a master-roll size run (maybe more than one if they had a lot of volume and were offered a deal to do so), and when the freezer was nearing empty they'd shop around for the best deal for the next master roll. Walgreens, Kroger Markets ("Top Crest"), and even some smaller chains had their "store brand" -- and it might be 3M, Ferrania, Konica, Fuji, maybe even Kodak depending on the market and manufacturer policies at the time of negotiations.

 

[Agulliver]

Fuji used to....the AgfaPhoto Vista Plus 200 which was around until about five years ago was Fuji 200 in disguise....Boots 200 and 400 C41 films and their E6 slide film were Fuji films in disguise, certainly in the late 90s and into the 2010s when they disappeared from shelves. Possibly not something they find practical or profitable now.

I don't know what this Fugufilm is, but it doesn't look like it's ready for the market yet.

 

[MultiFormat Shooter]

I don't know what this Fugufilm is, but it doesn't look like it's ready for the market yet.

If it objectively meets or exceeds the performance of Fuji Provia 400X, then I would definitely be interested. But so far....

 

[flavio81]

Fuji used to....the AgfaPhoto Vista Plus 200 which was around until about five years ago was Fuji 200 in disguise....

Note that the brand was "AgfaPhoto", not "Agfa".

 

[Huss]

.. confectioning services...

I just love that expression. Is it real, or a Photrio thing?

 

[MattKing]

I just love that expression. Is it real, or a Photrio thing?

It is real.
IIRC, I got it from some of Simon Galley's posts, so it would be real and British .
Here is an example - see the 5th paragraph: https://www.photrio.com/forum/threa...d-re-price-increases.71085/page-6#post-997188

 

[Paul Howell]

I thought K-Mart Focal film was manufactured by 3M/Ferrania, but that may have been just the slide film.

In the 60s and 70s it was GAF, then when GAF closed their photo line was 3M, by the late 90s the few rolls I saw seemed to be Fuji. I shot 3M slide and negative film as my shoot around film, pretty neutral, grain was good. Good all around snap shot film.

 

[faberryman]

In the 60s and 70s it was GAF, then when GAF closed their photo line was 3M, by the late 90s the few rolls I saw seemed to be Fuji. I shot 3M slide and negative film as my shoot around film, pretty neutral, grain was good. Good all around snap shot film.

I bought one roll of K-Mart slide film in the 1970s. It was not to my liking. Perhaps that is why my responses to the Ferrania project was less than enthusiastic, Some of the young film enthusiasts today might go for it though. If what you bought was rebranded Fuji, I can see how you may have had a different experience.

 

[Sirius Glass]

I used a lot of GAF film, especially the higher speed slide films. I liked the GAF tungsten for long night exposures.

 

[Paul Howell]

I bought one roll of K-Mart slide film in the 1970s. It was not to my liking.

In the 70s Kmart sold GAF, well until 1977 when GAF left the market. GAF used the Ansco process which was closer to E4 than E6, if you look at older Nat Geo from the 50s and 60s almost of the color work at time was Anscochrome. I shot a few rolls of GAF 500, processed by GAF, a couple of rolls I processed myself, all are fading. My GAF 200 speed film seems to be holding up better. On the other hand Kodachrome and Ektachrom from the same period look as good as the day I shot them, and that includes E 4 Ektachrome.

 

[Huss]

It is real.
IIRC, I got it from some of Simon Galley's posts, so it would be real and British .
Here is an example - see the 5th paragraph: https://www.photrio.com/forum/threa...d-re-price-increases.71085/page-6#post-997188

Makes film sound delicious. Which from an aesthetic point of view it is.

 

[StevieB]

Do you represent that company in one way or another, are you its spokesperson?
Many behaviors that indicate that it is an arrogant company.

- (The Egyptian Analog Society) wants to make a group purchase, and we decided to buy 5,000 rolls of all categories,, and we want to get a good discount,,,
We elected someone to represent us, and that person went to speak to the official representative of Fuji in Egypt and applied for the sales department.

- The representative of Fuji in Egypt addressed Fuji (the regional branch in Dubai), and the regional branch, in turn, addressed the parent company in Japan.
We have been waiting for a response from Japan for nearly five weeks, and in the end the response came:
They refused to give us any discount or special offer at all. On the contrary, they said that they would increase the prices by a percentage (I don't remember the percentage, but it was probably 10%)...

It happened less than two years ago.

You can do a poll on it..
Do you think Fuji is an arrogant and evil company?
Yes or no ..
Do that poll first and I bet you will be amazed by the poll results

My Cousin
I think you are right and I think you are wrong, like Ying=Yang
They do not care about you, only money, but it is only "business".

Many years ago I did the same thing with KODAK I tried to arrange a HUGE special order
Hundreds of buyers, whole Master Roll. I had everything arranged, and they, they said NO .. Their loss, it would have been a lot of money.
I hope you and your group bought all your film someplace else!

 

[mohmad khatab]

Their loss, it would have been a lot of money.
I hope you and your group bought all your film someplace else!

And what did you do about the deal you wanted to make with Kodak,.? Did you find any alternatives?
- I want to buy an ECN2 reel and bring it to Egypt with a traveler for a fee (financial reward), but I still haven't found anyone.

 

[brbo]

I want to buy an ECN2 reel and bring it to Egypt with a traveler for a fee (financial reward), but I still haven't found anyone.

What seems to be the problem? Is shipping to Egypt not possible/very expensive?

 

[AgX]

Well, Kodak could be very weird... Many years ago I wanted to buy a 10" roll of their then current 2443. Kodak Germany sent me to Rochester USA and they told me that I definitely only could buy it from their german representative for that film. But that firm told me that they would not know of that film...

 

[brbo]

Mohmad is talking about ECN-2, much more common I would think. For example, frame24 in UK will sell you 400' or 1000' 35mm rolls of fresh Vision3. No minimum quantity required (at least there wasn't the last time I ordered from them).

 

[StevieB]

And what did you do about the deal you wanted to make with Kodak,.? Did you find any alternatives?
- I want to buy an ECN2 reel and bring it to Egypt with a traveler for a fee (financial reward), but I still haven't found anyone.

No I did not find an alternative. The marketplace got smaller, the Great Recession happened Kodak declared bankruptcy, there was a reshuffling of the grande deck of cards and I was never motivated to find an alternative.
Have you looked on "AliBaba" ?