New Ihagee Elbaflex

[farmersteve]

I'm not so sure the 47 cameras currently ordered by backers -make them 100 if the target is reached- will represent / would have represented that many man.hours for the Ukrainian workers...

Remember that the Nikon F6 is hand-made by two people working part time on this task.

I don't think they are going to get close to their goal with 9 days to go. OTOH, Reflex has $50k more than they wanted...

 

[faberryman]

61 backers, but only 48 are buying a camera or camera/lens combination. It like the Reflex: 457 backers, but only 337 are buying a camera or camera/lens combination. Both seem like epic fails, and not without good reason.

 

[farmersteve]

61 backers, but only 48 are buying a camera or camera/lens combination. It like the Reflex: 457 backers, but only 337 are buying a camera or camera/lens combination. Both seem like epic fails, and not without good reason.

I think you can put a fork in this one and call it done. 6 days to go and they are losing backers!

 

[Mistral75]

The Ihagee Elbaflex project failed on Kickstarter.

They gathered pledges amounting to $29,868, versus a goal set at $50,000, from 65 backers who ordered 49 cameras and 5 lenses.

Since it was an ‘all or nothing’ project, it is over.

 

[faberryman]

Since it was an ‘all or nothing’ project, it is over.

So what are they going to do with that big box of NOS Kiev 19M cameras with bad meters?

 

[oreston]

So what are they going to do with that big box of NOS Kiev 19M cameras with bad meters?

EBay? "Like new. Works perfectly, light meter untested..."

 

[Mistral75]

So what are they going to do with that big box of NOS Kiev 19M cameras with bad meters?

Propose them on Indiegogo?

 

[AgX]

The german holding company Net SE, who is considered to be behind Meyer Optik, the fake Ihagee GmbH amd more firms has claimed insolvency.

 

[macfred]

... https://petapixel.com/2018/08/10/th...s-revivals-on-kickstarter-is-on-life-support/

 

[E. von Hoegh]

Why was anyone taken in by this? FFS.
Not to mention all the other crowd funding abortions of ridiculous scams documented in this subforum.

 

[AgX]

Well, the Reflex project recently surprisingly showed up at the Photokina exhibitor listing and even gave away some company information:

Post #6 at this thread:
https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/reflex-and-photokina.161813/

 

[jtk]

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"Made in Germany" raises an obvious quality question.

Can nominally German companies that have for decades relied mostly on immigrant labor afford people of the quality that Toyota or BMW use in the US, or that Pentax uses in Vietnam?

 

[E. von Hoegh]

Well, the Reflex project recently surprisingly showed up at the Photokina exhibitor listing and even gave away some company information:

Post #6 at this thread:
https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/reflex-and-photokina.161813/

Just wait for the inevitable implosion.

 

[E. von Hoegh]

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"Made in Germany" raises an obvious quality question.

Can nominally German companies that have for decades relied mostly on immigrant labor afford people of the quality that Toyota or BMW use in the US, or that Pentax uses in Vietnam?

BMW = Bayerische Motoren Werke, i.e. German.
"German Quality" has become diluted via global homogenisation, as have most other reputations.
Once upon a time the finest watch available was made in Paris. Then London. Now? ??

 

[cmacd123]

BMW = Bayerische Motoren Werke, i.e. German.
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Some BMW vehicles are built by a Canadian Company in Austria.
https://www.magna.com/company/newsr...magna-to-produce-the-new-z4-for-the-bmw-group

Some BMW Vehicles are built in the US. one does hope that BMW has Quality systems in place to keep all the plants that build their cars on the same page.

 

[jtk]

BMW Mini has had several years of terrible quality reviews in Consumer Reports. German labor is mostly immigrant (50% Turkish in a recent study)... inexpensive foreign labor, plus huge prices plus manufacturing overseas accounts for survival of German manufacturing. Compare quality of BMW to Hyundai or Subaru or Toyota. Then look at the prices...which are analytic components of quality.

The finest watch is always Seiko.

The most dubious food on earth is poutine.

 

[cmacd123]

German labor is mostly immigrant (50% Turkish in a recent study)... inexpensive foreign labor, plus huge prices plus manufacturing overseas accounts for survival of German manufacturing.
The most dubious food on earth is poutine.

You have a typo there - you must have meant Delicious.

The ethnicity of the production line workers should really not be a factor, if the Manufacturing systems and controls are done correctly.

 

[subsole]

BMW Mini has had several years of terrible quality reviews in Consumer Reports. German labor is mostly immigrant (50% Turkish in a recent study)... inexpensive foreign labor, plus huge prices plus manufacturing overseas accounts for survival of German manufacturing. Compare quality of BMW to Hyundai or Subaru or Toyota. Then look at the prices...which are analytic components of quality.

The finest watch is always Seiko.

The most dubious food on earth is poutine.

Where does that "50% Turkish" study come from ?

 

[AgX]

The west-german automotive industry was amongst those who had the highest rate of migrant workers.
The highest rate of turkish workers I could verify was about 20% at Ford in 1975 (a peak period).

The share of foreigners in Germany is about 12%, a share at labour of turkish people at 50% thus is nonsense.

The share at labour for All foreigners is about 10%.

 

[macfred]

According to current information, Germany has about 82.7 million inhabitants. Of these, about 6.5 million are foreigners. The largest group, 1.8 million, are turkish.
Pretty much 50% ...

 

[Billy Axeman]

How sad, yet another thread veering off topic.

 

[macfred]

How sad, yet another thread veering off topic.

Sorry, Mr. Axeman - I totally agree !

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But sometimes there are things that cannot go without comment or corrective statement. That's it - I'm done.

 

[Billy Axeman]

Sorry, Mr. Axeman - I totally agree !

Not your fault macfred.
This could become a 'nice' story to follow about all the things Ihagee GmbH did wrong, and learn from it. But we need to keep things tight otherwise the readers loose track.

 

[AgX]

Here is an older interview with the CEO of the holding behind that Elbaflex project:
https://emulsive.org/articles/ihagee-elbaflex-from-conjecture-to-truth-with-stefan-immes

 

[BMbikerider]

BMW Mini has had several years of terrible quality reviews in Consumer Reports. German labor is mostly immigrant (50% Turkish in a recent study)... inexpensive foreign labor, plus huge prices plus manufacturing overseas accounts for survival of German manufacturing. Compare quality of BMW to Hyundai or Subaru or Toyota. Then look at the prices...which are analytic components of quality.

The finest watch is always Seiko.

The most dubious food on earth is poutine.

I think I tend to agree with that comparison. I ride BMW motorcycles - old ones, both of mine started life in 1986 and run now as well as they came out of the showroom. I have had a couple of newer ones in the last 5 years and they were - to be polite absolute rubbish! Apart from electrical problems usually down to substandard electrical components the quality of the finish and build are now very much open to question. The electronics that controlled the EVO braking caused many crashes in both UK and elsewhere. The replacement of these plus labour came in many cases to over 2 grand.

I have a good friend who runs a small garage and he recently had a job to repair a 4 year old BMW 5 series car which would cut out when turning a left hand bend. This was traced to water entering the ECU (Brain) and when the car turned, it slopped the water onto vital components. Not a job he could tackle 'cos it had to be connected to a BMW computer somewhere in darkest Germany. Then there was the question of paint. The alloy wheels! They looked as if they came off a 25 year old vehicle not one just 4 years old.
Compare this to a 9 year old Honda Civic one of his employees owns with 120K miles and never garaged. It is like new.