New Cinestill gadget for temperature control.

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    just saw this new temperature control gizmo from Cinestill on Twitter. I have a Jobo so don’t have a need for one at the moment, but I’d have been all over this before I got my Jobo and can also be used when mixing up your chemicals at the right temperature.

    It’s encouraging that more and more companies are making new fulm related gadgets and tools.

    https://cinestillfilm.com/collectio...emistry-and-precision-film-processing-at-home
     
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    It is a modified sousvide thermostatic heater.

    The use of standard models has been discussed before here at Apug, so I would not call it a gadget.


    Amongst my stuff I got some aquarium heaters from the fleamarket, in case I wanted a makeshift thermostatic-tank solution.
    As cheap as they are, they lack the high themperature needed, thus must be opened and modified, their hysteresis is large, they lack a pump. With this in mind a sousvide heater does not look far fetched at all.
     
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    A reasonable alternative but not for me, I can get complete accuracy with an ordinary water bath and £3 digital thermometer so I'll pass.
     
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    You can call it a duck if you like, but this is, by definition, a gadget.
     
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    This is exactly why I got myself this contraption:

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    Nova 300w heater, still available new, and an aquarium pump. All purchased s/h, works very well with C41 and E6.
     
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    from a dictionary:
    "A gadget is a small machine or device which does something useful. You sometimes refer to something as a gadget when you are suggesting that it is complicated and unnecessary."

    I got the impression that meanwhile it is used more in the latter meaning.
    And that was why I complained.
     
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    I think it’s a good idea. I can’t see how they could have done anything other than repurpose a device intended for a different market given the cost of designing and manufacturing for such a small market.

    There have been discussions on here for years with people wanting a nice easy way to keep chemicals and water baths at a constant temperature. Not everybody wants to hack together their own solutions.

    And as I said, I think it’s encouraging to see things like this being made for film processing in 2018.

    Even though I’m not in the market for such a gadget today I will choose to be positive about it and not try and make everything into a misery extraction process. :-D
     
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    Even though I won't be buying it I agree, it is promising that such solutions are available for those that want them.
     
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    I think it's pretty nifty. Holds the bottles upright, has a built in timer for C41 and other processes and controls the temp for $99? What's not to like. If I were putting together a C41 or E6 kit I would be all over it. But I put together a set-up like miha a few years ago which works fine. I think the CineStill gadget is a much more elegant and convenient solution.
     
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    It is modified for film processing, but still costs only as much as the corresponding kitchen model here. I find that pleasantly surprising.
     
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    The model it's based on is about $60 or 70, not 99.
     
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    Wow, looks pretty slick!
    I paid 70$ for a used Anova including shipping to Canada, so 99$ for a new one sounds pretty good. And those wings to hold bottles is a nice touch, I use regular glass bottles in the water bath for RA4 and bottles do float around once the dev/blix gets used up during a print session. I use a 6L reservoir and it heats that up to 100F in less than 15 minutes. Mine is a little bit off, the water is a few degrees lower than it says on the display, but it's very consistent. I haven't tried C41 yet, I think I need a better thermometer to calibrate for temperature!
    Anyway, it's a lot cheaper then any Jobo I've seen, albeit without the rotation bit.
     
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    I see it does b&W also. Is a 110v ac, etc. available for the North American market?.........Regards!
     
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    That's pretty neat. Would be very handy for mixing powdered chemistry too. I don't need it but for a compact water bath, looks great. Just in time for new Ektachrome :smile:
    Mike
     
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    Not over here, thus my remark, with reference to Germany.
     
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    Good point! I see no hint at voltages.
    Something Cinestill must make clear!

    As Cinestill is a US firm and prices are in dollars I assume they first aim at the US market, thus being 120V.

    The original model has an electrical power of 1200W, something not handled by small mains voltage transformers.

    It could be though designed for working on both voltages with 50% power deficit at 120V, like a travellers iron...
    The original version sold here has stated explicetely 230V as voltage.
     
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    The seemingly identical version I found on a site that sells wholesale Chinese goods (I'm sure you know the one) is 220-240V,50/60Hz, 1500W, 120V/60Hz, 1000W. It's available from China starting at $65 (+shipping, customs, VAT etc. -- cheaper for large volumes). You can find it on Amazon UK for £81.99. You can get it from Amazon.com for about $80.

    CineStill obviously don't manufacture anything themselves. Their film is rebadged and packaged Kodak movie stock. It's fairly obvious that they wouldn't be making sous vide thing either.

    But it’s a great idea to market a sous vide cooker as a film processing and chemistry mixing gadget. I'm sure there are lots of people that would be interested in it but would never consider buying it if it was sold as a sous vide cooker.
     
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    If you want a better solution that is actually well designed and made for film processing, search out a Photo-therm Model 14 Tempering bath. Usually $100 or less, better made, more robust, and a better solution.
     
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    I am not sure this is intended as a chemistry mixing gadget other than as a water bath to maintain temperature while mixing? I don't think is intended to be placed in chemicals.

    On the other hand, 155 degrees Fahrenheit for 48 hours turns a a great brisket.
     
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    According to CiniStill it is.

    °CS "TEMPERATURE CONTROL SYSTEM", TCS-1000 IMMERSION CIRCULATOR THERMOSTAT FOR MIXING CHEMISTRY AND PRECISION FILM PROCESSING
    FROM CINESTILL

     
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    Unfortunately Phototherm have stopped selling, repairing and supporting all of their film processors so it would have to be purchased used.

    I personally use a Jobo for film processing but they are getting very pricey used, and take up an awful lot of room. If you have a temporary darkroom as I do, space is very much at a premium. The sous vide thing is a nice alternative for film processing if you do C-41/E-6*


    *I don't like colour film. If I didn't have a Jobo I wouldn't have bothered with a temperature controlled gizmo, but have found it very convenient to heat the chemistry to 20°C unattended. My temporary darkroom is at my office and it means I can get going with much less faff as I can just get the chemistry into the Jobo and then just leave it until I'm ready to process.

    The sous vide thing would be just as good for that and better if you prefer inversions for B&W.

    But ultimately you don't need a temperature controlled thingamijiggy for B&W but it does make life easier and I'm all for that.
     
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    I checked it out... this model is available in both 110v and 220v making it suitable for us Aussies too!
     
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    Checked it out, at the Cinestill shop one still only can buy one version for unknown mains voltage.

    Or do you mean the model offered yields the ability to run on both voltages?
     
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