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My apologies, I misread your post.
@foc was correct. You made a pejorative comment about airport security staff. And just repeated it. It does rather demonstrate that your attitude towards them is rather less than positive. And they will pick up on that.
I see it with my wife, who has less patience than I. She never takes cameras or anything unusual through security at airports but she gets grilled because she's impatient and snarky. I have my weird vintage cameras, sometimes super 8 or std 8 cameras too which really confuse them...heck even my walkman or mini-disc player....but I am patient and compliant as well as super polite. The security bods treat me with respect and are polite back. Even at Heathrow. There are many reasons to dislike LHR...I don't find the security staff to be one of them, compared to any other airport.
So if I walk up and request, in a very neutral tone of voice with no attitude of being in a hurry or inconvenienced, "I would like to have this hand inspected", they pick up an attitude toward them?!
I do NOT 'dislike' Security staff nor have any 'attitude', they are doing their job -- at Heathrow or anywhere, I simply know the response at Heathrow, having travelled internationally enroute to other worldwide destinations or to London and its surrounding for business for over 40 years. I know how my requests have been handled in over 30 countries. I have had numerous interactions with Security and Customs personnel over the years, and most are pleasant.
At Heathrow they do not seem to hear, nor do they do respond verbally -- not even acknowleding the request. So either they are ignoring the request, or I (facetiously) state they must be handicapped and without hearing or speech as the explaination for not even getting any response and literally being ignored for a reasonable request.
Perhaps, being a resident of UK, your experiences with domestic travel are different, my experiences are mostly in transit to other places.
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Oh dear. Sensitivities…
My experience in Heathrow, and there have been many, is that they do their job with minimal intersection: talking or listening. Better?
The uniformed personnel with machine guns, ironically, were friendly chatterboxes.
My experience in Heathrow, and there have been many, is that they do their job with minimal intersection: talking or listening. Better?
The uniformed personnel with machine guns, ironically, were friendly chatterboxes.
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I'm always polite in requesting a hand inspection for my film (e.g., EGIS swab of the canisters), whether in the U.S., where TSA procedure is to accommodate such requests, or elsewhere. In my experience LHR is not the only European airport to resist hand inspections (except for 3200 film). However, for years at LHR I've met the same stony -- one could call it contemptuous -- attitude as described by wiltw.
Went to Vegas for July 4 week, Greenville Spantanburg has the new scanners, and were very friendly about hand inspection, quick and easy.
Return trip from Vegas was...the opposite. Very rude, lots of eye rolls, and held up the line. When they finally did take my bag of film, they simply set it on a table on the other side of the scanners, never checked it at all. When I got through the check and retrieved my items, the supervisor made a point of thanking me for holding up the process. It wasn't really all that busy, either, at the time.
May not bother with flying film anymore.
Return trip from Vegas was...the opposite. Very rude, lots of eye rolls, and held up the line. When they finally did take my bag of film, they simply set it on a table on the other side of the scanners, never checked it at all. When I got through the check and retrieved my items, the supervisor made a point of thanking me for holding up the process. It wasn't really all that busy, either, at the time.
May not bother with flying film anymore.
I hope you kindly thanked them for doing their job.
It is your stated RIGHT to ASK, here...you have no rights to a courteous response (or any response at all)...here in Las Vegas or abroad in Heathrow!
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Did Las Vegas have the new scanners, too? My experience is that sometimes TSA seems bothered when asked to hand inspect when the "film safe" scanners are in use.
Some will not want to take the risk though as in my case. Just thought I would check in and see how things are going. I ship my film a month ahead of me in about 5 weeks.
And what are your intentions for getting photos back home?
I agree.
If Kodak still had the corporate clout it once had, this would not be such a problem.
I don’t remember if we went over this, but a small radiation hardened container aught to do the job.
A couple of millimeters walled steel box or easily bend led should be enough.
Put one of Kodak’s stickers on the front (claiming radiation sensitive film.
If they insist on opening it, it’s on them and their initiative.
A couple of millimeters walled steel box or easily bend led should be enough.
Put one of Kodak’s stickers on the front (claiming radiation sensitive film.
If they insist on opening it, it’s on them and their initiative.
Yes it will. They will then send you back to unload your pockets, scan the film and then have you walk through the detector again.
Well bare 120 film rolls do not set of METAL detectors, but they will arouse suspicion in the CT scanners in popular use. As to the act of opening a lead box being "on them" is a pretty naïve position to take.
But the security inspector will ask your to BREAK THE SEAL and UNROLL IT! That has happened to me, until someone of higher rank told the guy to leave it alone, as it would expose the film.
Some of these inspection folks were not yet in their teen years when digital largely displaced film!
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There is no metal in a bare unwrapped 120 roll!
What suspicion would there be?
You can have a rolled up sock in you hoodie pocket too and walk through fine.
It’s worth testing with a few rolls of developed film next time, making sure you removed all the metal on your body.
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Well, we are not talking about putting it though a CT scanner here.
If they find something they need to check, they are creating the “nuisance”.
Same thing if they can’t see through your metal camera, and you have to tell them it would ruin the film if you open it.
It will show up on the image if they are using mm-wave whole body scanner. I tend to doubt they would trip a conventional metal detector if the wrapping paper has been removed. But I’ll let others prove this point; not me! Getting caught could have repercussions.
You use LOGIC...they do NOT always employ such a sophisticated reasoning. Besides...
Keep in mind, it was before sending carryon thru X-ray, there was no way of him knowing if the spools were metal or not.
It was not scanned, it was not swabbed for explosives, it was not wanded for concealed metal.
I know WHAT HAPPEDED...he wanted one unrolled. There was a plastic bag full of such rolls of exposed, sealed film. the rest of my carry on was a bag full of medium format body, backs, lenses. He also wanted lens removed and back removed, so he could look thru the body (which would not have happed as the light baffle and reflex mirror were down!)
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I did do it once, crazily I loaded up with 50 rolls and passed through quickly. The operator was going to get me to take my jacket off but shrugged after I got through without a chirp. If he had of checked I would have had splainin to do!
But yes I was thinking of the whole body cameras that can see a double bubble gum wrapped up in your pocket.
But yes I was thinking of the whole body cameras that can see a double bubble gum wrapped up in your pocket.
"Oh, what is dangling down my left pants leg is a medical prothesis!"
I had a lovely experience flying out of Honolulu back to the mainland US. Had about 35 rolls of 120 in a clear plastic bag, asked politely for a hand inspection, another officer was asked to come over and methodically swabbed a sampling of the rolls before handing it back with a smile. At no point was there any confusion. Granted, (1) this was in the TSA Pre-Check queue, which is generally much less chaotic than the main line, so I tend to suspect the officers assigned to it are in a much better mood, and (2) I would imagine that airports in exceptionally picturesque locations might be more accustomed to travelers returning home with film.
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