New: ADOX SCALA BW reversal kit

Raghu Kuvempunagar · Sep 25, 2021

AgX said:
But as in negative processing the development must be adapted to the chosen EI.

That's right. In negative processing, to get EI of anything close to 20, the use of the special purpose developer Adotech is mandatory. The film loses speed substantially in other developers. Interestingly, for reversal processing of Adox CMS 20ii, Adox recommends using the Scala kit which is a generic first developer and not really a special purpose developer for CMS 20ii. So I wonder if EI of 20 is possible with this kit.

xonefs · Jan 21, 2023

I know it can process 8 rolls, but should the chems be poured back into bottles for reuse or discarded each time?

ChrisGalway · Jun 29, 2023

Not sure if this thread/forum is still active but here goes:

1. Has there been any progress in trying non-Adox films, like Ilford Delta 100 or FP4, both exposed at their rated ISO? If so, what's the FD time at 20deg.

2. I ask because it seems that 120 sized Adox film is not available ... STILL!

Lachlan Young · Jul 1, 2023

ChrisGalway said:
Not sure if this thread/forum is still active but here goes:

1. Has there been any progress in trying non-Adox films, like Ilford Delta 100 or FP4, both exposed at their rated ISO? If so, what's the FD time at 20deg.

2. I ask because it seems that 120 sized Adox film is not available ... STILL!

Most of the information is in an Instagram story - go to Adox's Instagram page & click on 'Reversal Kit'.

Sal Santamaura · Jul 1, 2023

Lachlan Young said:
Most of the information is in an Instagram story - go to Adox's Instagram page & click on 'Reversal Kit'.

Cannot be seen unless one is on Instagram. Some of us won't participate in Zucker "stuff."

Anon Ymous · Jul 1, 2023

Lachlan Young said:
Most of the information is in an Instagram story - go to Adox's Instagram page & click on 'Reversal Kit'.

So, is this a substitute for a proper datasheet?

Lachlan Young · Jul 1, 2023

Anon Ymous said:
So, is this a substitute for a proper datasheet?

Given that an awful lot of people actively ignore datasheets (and are volubly proud of that), and that the developer was formulated to work well with pretty specific films (just as all usage of the Scala 200x process with other emulsions was effectively off-label), and that social media plays a much more effective role in marketing their products, it seems fair that that's where they keep a record of user reported results. For the record, the reported outcomes beyond the films in the instructions are for Superpan 200/ 400S, 5222, Tri-X and Scala 200x.

ChrisGalway · Aug 5, 2023

Lachlan Young said:
Given that an awful lot of people actively ignore datasheets (and are volubly proud of that), and that the developer was formulated to work well with pretty specific films (just as all usage of the Scala 200x process with other emulsions was effectively off-label), and that social media plays a much more effective role in marketing their products, it seems fair that that's where they keep a record of user reported results. For the record, the reported outcomes beyond the films in the instructions are for Superpan 200/ 400S, 5222, Tri-X and Scala 200x.

Lachlan, I finally looked on Instagram but could not find any references to the Scala Kit processing times for Superpan 200, which I want to try. What is the suggested time/temperature for the first developer and second developer, assuming Superpan is exposed at ISO200? Do you have any other tips for reversal processing Superpan 200 before I start experimenting? Thanks.

Or someone else might have experience of processing Superpan 200 in the Scala Kit?

Chris

ChrisGalway · Aug 5, 2023

Found the processing details for Superman 200 on the Instagram page, see attachment.

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ChrisGalway · Aug 6, 2023

Tsubasa said:
the file is corrupt

Whoops, sorry, here is a version that should open.

Team ADOX · Aug 8, 2023

ChrisGalway said:
Not sure if this thread/forum is still active but here goes:

1. Has there been any progress in trying non-Adox films, like Ilford Delta 100 or FP4, both exposed at their rated ISO? If so, what's the FD time at 20deg.

2. I ask because it seems that 120 sized Adox film is not available ... STILL!

Please have a look at your inbox here on photrio: We have replied to your recent message to us concerning that topic.

Team ADOX · Aug 9, 2023

Tsubasa said:
Adox should post the reply here, not with a personal message. The info are interesting to all...

We have just replied to a direct customer question. If someone is contacting us via Email or the direct message function (Inbox) here on photrio, we assume that this person has good reasons to choose that non-public way. And of course we respect that.

As soon as we have real news for the public, all our customers and the film photography community, we will of course announce these news publicly, and definitely also here on photrio. As we have been doing it for years.
We hope to have additional positive news concerning the ADOX SCALA reversal kit in the coming months.

xonefs · Jan 2, 2024

Tmax 400 times/results?

Sal Santamaura · Jul 13, 2024

Has anyone tried the ADOX SCALA reversal kit with TMAX 100? If so, what times have you used and how would you characterize the results? Thanks in advance. My inquiry is driven by curiosity whether there's any possibility of creating quality 8x10 transparencies with this combination. The very low fog of TMX would seem to be a plus. A back-illuminated gelatin-silver transparency on polyester base ought be the analog recording medium with the longest life expectancy of any currently available. I suspect it would even outlast carbon or pt/pd prints' paper bases, while affording a much wider range of "print" values, at least with SCALA 50. How well TMX does in that regards remains to be seen.

ADOX Fotoimpex · Jul 14, 2024

Anon Ymous said:
So, is this a substitute for a proper datasheet?

We have a very proper datasheet for the Scala Kit.

It can be downloaded from our website here.
In this very datasheet you find a section about "other films":

OTHER FILMS
This kit was designed to give the best results with ADOX SCALA films. However, any b&w film can be reversal-processed. It will likely not look as stunning and brilliant, because most modern films have a non-transparent base.
Old Agfa SCALA films have shown good results in this kit, however, as those films are expired, the outcomes vary depending on storage conditions.

A good starting time is close to SCALA 50. Nice results were obtained with 12min first developer, 5,5 min bleach with constant agitation, same times for Clear and Second Developer. We are posting development times for other film in our instagram.com/adoxphoto SCALA highlights, as we get more feedback from the community.

If you are planning to experiment, keep in mind that most films don’t enjoy 24°C/75°F - SCALA 160 is unusually resistant. And Clear and Second Developer don’t have a major effect on the results, so times can be kept same.

The reason we do not officially support other manufacturers films is because the process is very complex and we tried to simplify it as much as possible. We also made it more environmentally friendly than any other kit out there.
It took a lot of R&D to tweak this kit to give excellent results with our Scala 50 film in a stable way.

This is why we only publish data on third party films like this "unofficially". Without guarantee and without official support.
You cannot ask us if something went wrong developing a third party film.
If this data was in the official datasheet you had all rights to inquire
We simply do not know what went wrong in such a case and in order to check we would need to first pay for, than expose and reversal develop film XY.
This alone costs the company more than what we earn on 50-70 units of the Scala Reversal Kit.
Now multiply this by all film options!

Technical support costs would kill the product.

The data on Aviphot 200 (aka all its different names) has been published because we ran these tests in the product development stage and because this film is the closest to Scala 50 in developing kinetics so results are very similar.

DeletedAcct1 · Oct 28, 2024

A message for @ADOX Fotoimpex : have you ever considered to make a stand-alone Scala first developer in bottles of 1, 5, 20 litres with a diluition factor of say 1:4?
This way many enthusiasts like us can implement it in a custom reversal process...

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