New Adox “Color Mission” Film

Thank you @Joerg Bergs for going to all the trouble to make the comparison and posting the images.
Your professional expertise is greatly appreciated.

Joerg Bergs said:

This is the wet print from the ADOX Color Misson 200, on the right the scan.

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Looks great! Thanks for sharing.

That is great. I still print color. If this is a first attempt I look forward to the final product. I love color (and black and white) printing.

I just received my films and I noticed that it's coded as Kodak Farbwelt 200 (a derivative of Gold 200 for the German market that was sold until around 2010 I think). These codes don't say anything about what really is in the cartridge and I don't want to suggest that it's old Kodak stock. But the code tells minilabs how to filter the film for prints and scanning. Maybe this is useful information for what to expect from this film (and on how accurate minilab scans might be in reproducing it's idiosyncrasies)

RodinalSpezial said:

I just received my films and I noticed that it's coded as Kodak Farbwelt 200 (a derivative of Gold 200 for the German market that was sold until around 2010 I think). These codes don't say anything about what really is in the cartridge and I don't want to suggest that it's old Kodak stock. But the code tells minilabs how to filter the film for prints and scanning. Maybe this is useful information for what to expect from this film (and on how accurate minilab scans might be in reproducing it's idiosyncrasies)

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Just to clarify matters, should that even be possible,I think you are saying that you have now got the new Adox Colour mission film that is coded as Kodak Farbwelt 200 ( a derivative of Kodak Gold for the German market)

Can I ask where this coding appears, where can you find it? For instance, on the outer metal cassette, on the outer cardboard box and if not where?

We have an ADOX quote below:
"We have already reached this point once, in cooperation with another company. However, that facility went bankrupt, leaving us only with the first batch of color material".

Based on your post above, this suggests that the new ADOX chosen name is Colour Mission but may have been a film called Kodak Farbwelt 200. Was this ever released on the German market and is so, what happened to it?

ADOX mentioned above that as a result of a facility going bankrupt it left ADOX with only a first batch of color material which presumably is the batch ADOX now chose to call Colour Mission 200 but has been held in cold storage for a few years. Here's the ADOX quote :

"ADOX is releasing Color Mission - a film with delicately vibrant minty greens, peachy reds, airy grain and a purpose at the core. The name is intentional: those small 35mm rolls are on a big mission to give the analog community a beautiful product while investing into the future of film research and production, which is one of the most sophisticated challenges in the analog industry.

One batch of color film has been co-researched with and coated for ADOX by a company, which went bankrupt shortly after the first run. Now, ADOX is starting a fully independent R&D for color film, which requires significant investments.. Now, time has come to release Color Mission - those films coated a few years ago, kept in the cool house until this moment"

Could the " bankrupt facility" mentioned by ADOX be the Kodak Bankruptcy of about 2012? It doesn't sound likely but there is no way to rule it out , is there?

Your post appears to ask another question in my mind; namely what, if any, does the Kodak Farbwelt 200 film have to do with ADOX Colour Mission 200?

Above I have attempted to provide all the pertinent quotes I can find from ADOX and while they appear to suggest little or no link with Kodak they are not specific enough to rule out a Kodak connection or are they ?

It is likely that only Mirko can really clarify this matter but if Colour Mission 200 is either the exact equivalent of Kodak Gold 200 or a derivative only that has some differences from Kodak Gold 200 but was contracted from Kodak and made to ADOX specs but coated for ADOX by another coating company that went bankrupt, I'd be interested to know

In the hope that my post is not seen as another anti or pro ADOX contribution, I'd like to say that whatever the answer is, it bothers me not in the slightest i. e. I am a disinterested party who only wishes to get the matter clarified

The important thing is that we now have another stock of colour film to ease the current acute shortage of colour film which is great

This post seeks clarification only

pentaxuser

Probably just a generic code for labs to use.

We don´t find this code. And we don´t use codes, because of our own filtering methodic. This film is definitely not Kodak Gold. A > ten year old film would be pretty fogged. But only Mirco can give us the real information.

mshchem said:

Probably just a generic code for labs to use.

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Yes it is, but it can determine your outcome depending on the lab.

I'm in no way suggesting that this film has anything to do with Kodak. It's just that the cartridge is coded with the same DX number (not DX code!) as Kodak Farbwelt/Gold so automatic minilabs will adjust filtering accordingly. But as Jörg wrote not every lab seems to use this coding you find next to the DX code on all cartridges meant to be automatically processed.

Joerg Bergs said:

A > ten year old film would be pretty fogged.

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Not necessarily a ten year old film that has been kept in cold storage, as Adox claims. A 200 ISO film , or a 100 ISO film that relies heavily on latitude for good results at 200, could survive a 10 year cold storage well. It would not be nearly as affected by gamma radiation as a faster film.

Thanks, RodinalSpezial and others for the clarification on the code which is the same code for minilab use as was the code for Kodak Farbwelt 200. However as was said this code does not really make a connection with Kodak Gold or even Kodak Farbwelt 200 so there is no mileage in continuing this line of inquiry, at least not for me

pentaxuser

pentaxuser said:

Just to clarify matters, should that even be possible,I think you are saying that you have now got the new Adox Colour mission film that is coded as Kodak Farbwelt 200 (...)
Could the " bankrupt facility" mentioned by ADOX be the Kodak Bankruptcy of about 2012? (...) what, if any, does the Kodak Farbwelt 200 film have to do with ADOX Colour Mission 200? (...) if Colour Mission 200 is either the exact equivalent of Kodak Gold 200 or a derivative only t

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Fellow pentaxian,

Most films have a barcode on the negative itself, that is used by automated printing/scanning labs so they know which color corrections to apply. This tells the machine what's the film type they're scanning. The settings are called a "channel" in their jargon.

Long ago, Kodak engineered most of their films to be "printed on the same channel than the Kodak Gold films", that means, that many different color Kodak films will require identical corrections.

The only thing we know is that ADOX chose to print on their film a barcode that tells any automated minilab "use the same corrections as if this was Kodak Farbwelt 200". It doesn't mean anything else. It just means that the corrections for printing Kodak Farbwelt 200 (the "channel") will be OK for Adox Color Mission. Again, there are MANY films that will work fine on such channel.

Why didn't ADOX create its own new code? Because that would mean that an automated minilab, most likely, won't have that new code, and won't know what to do with the film. Using an existing code means increasing the chances for the regular user to get better prints (or scans) from a minilab.

In short: I wouldn't read too much into it.

The bar code may actually be a new addition to the film. I wouldn't be surprised if the film was in storage for years, but has recently been confectioned.
Edge printing is usually done at the time of confectioning.
The sprockets are probably also recent.
It would make total sense to me if ADOX had the master roll in hand several years ago, but waited until prices rose before spending the money to confection it.

Thanks flavio81 and Matt for further clarification on this and confirming that my inquiry need go no further

pentaxuser

MattKing said:

Edge printing is usually done at the time of confectioning.
The sprockets are probably also recent.

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Mirko in this thread explicetly stated that the film is currently perforated and how they are doing this.

flavio81 said:

The only thing we know is that ADOX chose to print on their film a barcode that tells any automated minilab "use the same corrections as if this was Kodak Farbwelt 200".

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No, we don't know that. In fact, we pretty much know that Adox did not print any code on the film.

The talk here is about the code printed on the canister. I really wonder what minilabs read this code and adjust scanning parameters based on this. AFAIK Frontiers/Noritsus don't...

brbo said:

The talk here is about the code printed on the canister. I really wonder what minilabs read this code and adjust scanning parameters based on this. AFAIK Frontiers/Noritsus don't...

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If this film cassette code is what is being referred to,


then this has no bearing on how the film is scanned. Bear in mind that used cassettes from various film brands can be reloaded and a sticker put over the original name, logo and details.

The lab film scanner will read the barcode on the developed film. This sample, below, has the Fuji red and green line-markings on the top and bottom.



On the bottom is a set of barcodes that identify the film and the frame numbers for the lab scanner.

MattKing said:

It would make total sense to me if ADOX had the master roll in hand several years ago, but waited until prices rose before spending the money to confection it.

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Great point. Let's hope Kodak and Fuji also have some new film(s) in storage that they'll release some day when they think the price and demand are right for their products.

foc said:

The lab film scanner will read the barcode on the developed film. This sample, below, has the Fuji red and green line-markings on the top and bottom.

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You overlook that Adox is not yet pepared in making perfect, or rather modern, colour film, thus they most likely yet lack respective signing facilities, Mirko already hinted at improvising at this stage.

By the way, I would pefer an old-style colour film without bar-code.

AgX said:

You overlook that Adox is not yet pepared in making perfect, or rather modern, colour film, thus they most likely yet lack respective signing facilities, Mirko already hinted at improvising at this stage.

By the way, I would pefer an old-style colour film without bar-code.

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If the film has no barcodes, then the lab film scanner will use a unichannell for colour and density and impose its own frame numbers.

It would be great if @Joerg Bergs could post an image of a negative strip, including sprocket holes and any edge markings of the new Adox Color Mission film.

foc said:

It would be great if @Joerg Bergs could post an image of a negative strip, including sprocket holes and any edge markings of the new Adox Color Mission film.

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brbo said:

No, we don't know that. In fact, we pretty much know that Adox did not print any code on the film.

The talk here is about the code printed on the canister. I really wonder what minilabs read this code and adjust scanning parameters based on this. AFAIK Frontiers/Noritsus don't...

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Oh! Thanks for the clarification. I thought they were talking about barcode in the film itself!!

The code in the canister, IMO, is meaningless, i guess they're sourcing the canisters from elsewhere...

mshchem said:

Probably just a generic code for labs to use.

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This is the correct answer. We had to chosse an existing code which is close and already set in most machines. As you can see we deliberately printed it on the new stickers which we use to overlable the casettes. We will continue to use different casettes btw. which have a printing underneath the sticker. This has also nothing to do with Color Mission. These casettes are simply in stock. Also this code is to my opinion only used to sort films into the C-41 process as opposed to E-6 or B&W.

ADOX Fotoimpex said:

We simply have more film-film perforators than still-film perforators and since it is actually a higher level of accuracy we use them on the higher volume runs and the other machine only for low volumes. For the consumer it does not matter. Both films run fine through any camera.

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I would like to inform, that I have had experience with Canon EOS 30V not being able to correctly space frames with BH perforations. I don't know if it is a malfunction of this specific camera model or unit or maybe the IR sensor that counts the perforations is only useable with standard still film perforations. So I don't know, if the claim that it runs fine through any camera is 100% true. I will try some HR-50 soon (also with BH perforations) to see if maybe it was a CineStill thing or not.

BH sprocket holes are used on all cinema CAMERA films, it works fine in most still film cameras too. Cinestill ? Curious.