When will people realize that the ISO standard is predicated on a specific contrast gradient achieved using a particular exposure and development regime, which may not be to everyone's liking. It often also doesn't match the exposure (think metering here too) and development possibilities available to most photographers.
If you don't like "box speed" or the contrast achieved with recommended development times (I don't either), then don't use them. Still, ISO gives a standard basis of comparison.
Grousing that using box speed and recommended development doesn't give you the desired results is pointless; the standard isn't about to change any time soon. Just make your own modifications/adjustments.
Once you've figured out one film, you can apply those adjustments to every other film as a starting point. If you like rating one film at half of box speed and then developing it 20% less than recommended, then do that with other films as well. Just because that works for you, doesn't mean that the standard should be amended to match your preferences.
Best,
Doremus
Interesting.1/300 sec @ F/16 on a Nikon with an FP shutter will give less exposure than 1/300 sec @ F/16 on a Contaflex with a leaf shutter.
I have explained why the ASA speed measurement was changed, and why the change was unnecessary (or ill-advised) for people using 35mm focal-plane shutter cameras.
Standards that support the usage of the vast majority of users - both individual and industry - should not be changed because a tiny minority of people prefer to use different approaches in order to obtain specialized results.
Understand the standards, and then use any specialized approach you wish to obtain any different results you wish.
This thread reminds me a bit of Bruce Barnbaum - whose prints are wonderful, but whose explanations about why and how things happen are more mystical then methodical.
That's not the reason for the change in the standard. You picked a paragraph out of the paper and used it to represent the entire paper. It doesn't. It was about one variable which adds to the possible range of exposure variability. Remove it as a variable and you still have the 2.4x safety factor. Include it and you have exposure deviation from no additional exposure to some additional exposure above the safety factor. It’s not the cause of the safety factor nor the reason for the adjustment. If it were, there should have been corresponding changes to the color negative or color reversal standards and not just to the black and white standard. The reason for the change is right in the title Safety Factors in Camera Exposure.
Kansas City? Greeting cards? My sister's best friend "Wendy" worked there.Many moons ago, before graduating from Hallmark
But the real quandary is that at smaller apertures, the shutter which is trying to open and close fully in 1/300 second... is going to seem "fully open" instantaneously at f/16 (and then waits til the end to shut immediately). While at f/3.8 there is a bell curve exposure.
Now, the problem with the aperture is that if the aperture is extremely close to the leaf shutter (it's evidently never close to a focal plane shutter), a very small aperture opening (large f/number) would block a large part of the light falling through the open shutter. This would result in small apertures (large f/numbers) giving relatively more exposure (not less, as you suggested) at such apertures compared to shooting wide open.
The safety factor for what? How is exposure to be calculated to begin with? Do you remember those leaflets that used to come with Kodak film, which gave suggested exposures for different lighting conditions? You'll note that they do not mention shutter types.
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Shutter speed...most of my exposures are greater than one second. On top of Sentinel Dome with the 5x7 during a family reunion a couple years ago, I counted out the seconds out loud so folks would know how long to hold still...one anseladams, two anseladams, three anseladams...
When it came time for me to be in a photo, a relative worked the shutter for a multi-second exposure. Unfortunately the neg got a bit too much exposure as the whole crowd on top of the dome joined in with the counting of: one anseladams, two anseladams...but at lot slower rate...by 50% or more...Loved it!
Hallmark Institute of Photography. It was located in Turners Falls, Massachusetts. Sadly the school is no more. No relation with greeting cards.Kansas City? Greeting cards? My sister's best friend "Wendy" worked there.
Shutter speed...most of my exposures are greater than one second. On top of Sentinel Dome with the 5x7 during a family reunion a couple years ago, I counted out the seconds out loud so folks would know how long to hold still...one anseladams, two anseladams, three anseladams...
When it came time for me to be in a photo, a relative worked the shutter for a multi-second exposure. Unfortunately the neg got a bit too much exposure as the whole crowd on top of the dome joined in with the counting of: one anseladams, two anseladams...but at lot slower rate...by 50% or more...Loved it!
The shutter argument, while an important topic, isn't determinative when it comes to film speed determination. I forgot to mention, mechanical variables wouldn't be addressed by changing the film speed standard but by adjusting how exposure is determined like changing the exposure meter standard. Please read the paper carefully, and don't dismiss a seminal paper out of hand.
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