Need help with Nikkormat FT2 meter issue

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It is beautiful. Congratulations!

Give it to me.
 

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There was a period of time in the 1990's when I felt I needed to "save" every F2 I came across from whatever sad fate awaited it. Eventually I realized other people buy F2's also, so I don't worry about F2's anymore.

Now I've got this nice FT2 that I really enjoy and I'm getting that feeling again... Need to spread the word how good, solid, and reliable these cameras are.

It's crazy that K1000's are $100+ and Nikkormats (a better camera) are a fraction of that.
 
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It's crazy that K1000's are $100+ and Nikkormats (a better camera) are a fraction of that.

Isn't it?! I think it's because K1000s were cheap and basic back in the day, and so were great for students as they could afford them to learn the basics etc. At the same time, Nikkormats were much more expensive (and better - just feel the build difference) so students couldn't afford them. Fast forward to the present day, and people when recommending a good basic film camera would say 'hey, we learned on K1000s' and so recommend those. Pumping up the prices, not realizing that now you can buy a much better camera for much less money.
Personally I am fine with that, if you want to pay $100 for a K1000 leaving these gorgeous Nikkormats for me, knock yourself out.
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Test roll with Nikkormat Ft2 and Fuji Superia 400. First w/ Nikkor 55 3.5 non AI, second with Nikkor 50 1.4 non AI

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Very nice shots Huss.
 
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Nikkormat Ft2, Nikkor 55mm 3.5 non AI, Fuji C200
Strolling down Pacific Ave in San Pedro, CA

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I prefer Ftn over FT2. More aerodynamic. And meter does not shut off under ¼ s.
 
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I prefer Ftn over FT2. More aerodynamic. And meter does not shut off under ¼ s.


Page 13 of the Nikkormat FtN owner's manual contradicts you.

"Effective range (coupling range) varies according to the lens and film speed used. For example with the 50mm f 1.4 lens and a film speed of ASA 100, it extends from f1.4 at 1/4 second to f11 at 1/1000 second"

Just like the Ft2.

The FtN is very nice, but I prefer the Ft2 as it uses current silver oxide batteries, has a built in hot shoe, has an easier to use and locking ASA setting switch, and uses the new at the time type K focussing screen.
All advantages which made me seek out the Ft2 over the other models when I was buying. I also prefer it to the FT3 as it is able to meter properly with AI, AIS and non AI lenses, while the FT3 needs to meter in stop down mode for non AI lenses.
 

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Page 13 of the Nikkormat FtN owner's manual contradicts you.

"Effective range (coupling range) varies according to the lens and film speed used. For example with the 50mm f 1.4 lens and a film speed of ASA 100, it extends from f1.4 at 1/4 second to f11 at 1/1000 second"

Just like the Ft2.

The FtN is very nice, but I prefer the Ft2 as it uses current silver oxide batteries, has a built in hot shoe, has an easier to use and locking ASA setting switch, and uses the new at the time type K focussing screen.
All advantages which made me seek out the Ft2 over the other models when I was buying. I also prefer it to the FT3 as it is able to meter properly with AI, AIS and non AI lenses, while the FT3 needs to meter in stop down mode for non AI lenses.



Page 13 talks only about effective range, lightmeter shuts off is not mantioned at all. So , where is contradicion.

Maybe I make big mistake, that i do not read the manuals. But I use cameras. And all of my nikkormats ftn lightmeters works properly under ¼ s.
 

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... I prefer the Ft2 as it uses current silver oxide batteries, has a built in hot shoe, has an easier to use and locking ASA setting switch, and uses the new at the time type K focussing screen.
All advantages which made me seek out the Ft2 over the other models when I was buying. I also prefer it to the FT3 as it is able to meter properly with AI, AIS and non AI lenses, while the FT3 needs to meter in stop down mode for non AI lenses.


That's precisely why I sought an FT2.


Here's a good site with info and eye candy:

http://www.nicovandijk.net/nikomat.htm
 
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Page 13 talks only about effective range, lightmeter shuts off is not mantioned at all. So , where is contradicion.

Maybe I make big mistake, that i do not read the manuals. But I use cameras. And all of my nikkormats ftn lightmeters works properly under ¼ s.

It's the exact same meter. It's based on light value - EV - not shutter speed which is why they give the range.
 

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It's the exact same meter. It's based on light value - EV - not shutter speed which is why they give the rang

Very good definition. I did not know that facts. It is clear now, that the new upcoming generation of iphone experts will expand our knowledge of analog photography.

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Very good definition. I did not know the facts. It is clear now, that the new upcoming generation of iPhone experts will expand our knowledge of analog photography

Maybe you should direct that to Friedrich Deckel who came up with the EV concept in 1950.
 
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It's crazy that K1000's are $100+ and Nikkormats (a better camera) are a fraction of that.
There was a time when K mount, and M42 screw thread lenses in particular, were much cheaper than Nikkors, which evened out the Nikon-Pentax argument in Pentax's favour. Now there's not so much difference, and all older quality lenses in good condition are relatively expensive. I agree Nikkormats are better built than the K1000, much more so in the case of late, Chinese made versions which failed more frequently than Japanese K1000s. In fact the Nikkormat is one of the strongest cameras ever built in my opinion. Some of mine have clearly suffered multiple high impact damage, but all perform faultlessly. I can't think of any other camera that could sustain that kind of damage and keep operating.
 

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All Nikkormat bodies from the FTn through the FT3 use the same metering circuit with the same sensitivity. The FT3 does have the AI coupling, but, otherwise, it's identical. I've actually had my FTn bodies shut their meters off when the EV value gets too low. Conversely, I've had the same thing happen when the EV value is too high. Goes from full overexposure to off. Same thing with my FT2 bodies, and my FT3 bodies that I've owned over the years. Since I don't use flash with analog gear, the accessory shoe isn't required. I actually once made an updated FTn out of an FT2 that had a dead hot shoe. Removed the shoe and had a piece of leatherette put in place. Had the sleeker appearance of an FTn, but used modern batteries. Said camera is in the middle of the pic below.



-J
 
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All Nikkormat bodies from the FTn through the FT3 use the same metering circuit with the same sensitivity. The FT3 does have the AI coupling, but, otherwise, it's identical. I've actually had my FTn bodies shut their meters off when the EV value gets too low. Conversely, I've had the same thing happen when the EV value is too high. Goes from full overexposure to off. Same thing with my FT2 bodies, and my FT3 bodies that I've owned over the years. Since I don't use flash with analog gear, the accessory shoe isn't required. I actually once made an updated FTn out of an FT2 that had a dead hot shoe. Removed the shoe and had a piece of leatherette put in place. Had the sleeker appearance of an FTn, but used modern batteries. Said camera is in the middle of the pic below.



-J
Very nice line up John. Interesting modification on the Ft2.
 

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Newer version of this?

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In the description on Flicker it says K 85mm /1.8.
The K series were Pre-AI with rubber focusing rings and aesthetics closer to AI lenses.
 

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Thanks. Good to know. I cannot see things on Flicker.
 

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Hmmm, photos are public on my flickr account. So, unless your computer is blocking the IP address for the flickr site, it should've gone through.

But, yes, it's a K-type 85/1.8 with factory AI ring. Currently have it hanging off the front of my F4s.

Most K-type Nikkors are identical to the AI lenses, except for the rubber focusing ring composition (harder rubber on the K-type that's blacker), the aperture ring, and lack of a lens speed tab on the rear element baffle. The 85/1.8 was never available as an AI lens. At least, as a true AI lens. Some late copies were sold with the AI conversion rings installed at the factory before the 85/2 AI was available, though.

-J
 
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