It is all about consumerism, which is buying new. And nothing else. Consumerism driven wants new. Some people from film era like me hates it. Where are millions of camera which are made to lasts for very long time. But for consumerist like OP It is no-no. It must be new.
Where are new film cameras made. Expensive Leica RF cameras, not expensive Lomography cameras. LF cameras are still made. Where are Cosina made SLRs which are just few years old. BH had them for sale nobody wanted it. Where is new Nikon F6 and new single use camera under different brands, including Kodak collecting dust of store shells. But no, OP wants his own new and wants to be a film saving hero.
Where are millions of film cameras in fully working order and they are made from metal and glass. They will works for decades. But no, OP wants new. Consumerism it is.
Why buy old and pay money for single repair person? It is not cool. It has to be new and under known label. Shameless consumersm. Shame.
And then, there’s that...why should young generations be encouraged to shoot film? thats what it boils down to imo.
why should young generations be encouraged to shoot film? thats what it boils down to imo.
i agree with your point ov view. the point i was trying to make, even in a too provocative way, was to say, IF there is nothing special for you in shooting film, just dont do it.
although it may have sounded like i am judging smartphone photography, its totally not the case. i am doing it too. whatever works.
why should young generations be encouraged to shoot film? thats what it boils down to imo.
exactly. wether the shadows in the pancake are well differentiated or not doesnt make for a reason to get involved..yeah, i knowi was just being a lawyer for the devil...
i know, it is a tough cookie to crack !
there are not many reasons that are of interest to them
slow ( who needs that ! )
archival ( who cares i am living NOW )
hip and trendy ... ( can't get it on my insta or Finsta whats the point )
easy ( not as easy as my phone )
something tangible and hand made at the end ( who cares, its just a snapshot of my friend wearing a pancake as a hat )
costs less ( huh, i have a phone and i am getting my mom's old eyephone as a handmedown next week woo woo ! )
fun ( seems more of a pain than fun but maybe )
reek of chemicals if you do it yourself ( that's what that smell is, i thought you just had a weird lunch ) ...
there is a red light ( hmmm )
Did you actually read my post? While "slow pace" and dynamicy range way apply to US, 99% of the potential market (=people wanting to make pictures) doesn't care. And you are not going to change that fact by aggressive posting.you dont know what dynamic range is? you dont care about slow pace? so please, treat yourself, stick to your smartphone, try to use it till its broken (!) and dont put chemicals down the drain. perfect. snap away.
Archival=also possible with digital. In fact, if my house burns down, my film will be lost but because of off-site backup, all my digital photography will still be there.....
i know, it is a tough cookie to crack !
there are not many reasons that are of interest to them
slow ( who needs that ! )
archival ( who cares i am living NOW )
hip and trendy ... ( can't get it on my insta or Finsta whats the point )
easy ( not as easy as my phone )
something tangible and hand made at the end ( who cares, its just a snapshot of my friend wearing a pancake as a hat )
costs less ( huh, i have a phone and i am getting my mom's old eyephone as a handmedown next week woo woo ! )
fun ( seems more of a pain than fun but maybe )
reek of chemicals if you do it yourself ( that's what that smell is, i thought you just had a weird lunch ) ...
there is a red light ( hmmm )
That's the point. It's very easy to come up with reasons AGAINST film and for digital, but difficult to find simple reasons FOR film. I shoot film because....well, it's a lot of fun.We have billions of daily reasons or impulses to take and share pictures amongst ourselves and digital imaging is now the fastest, cheapest, easiest and most effective way to do these things. Developing latent image photographs with chemicals, plastic film, glass or paper is slow, messy, wasteful, expensive, uncertain, crude, frustrating and often poisonous or dangerous. Why bother?
i dont care about the market.Did you actually read my post? While "slow pace" and dynamicy range way apply to US, 99% of the potential market (=people wanting to make pictures) doesn't care. And you are not going to change that fact by aggressive posting.
That's the point. It's very easy to come up with reasons AGAINST film and for digital, but difficult to find simple reasons FOR film. I shoot film because....well, it's a lot of fun.
Digital is perfect archival. You can simply list the file and write down all the 0 and 1 in the file. Someone in the future should be able to reconstruct the image perfectly with that.Archival=also possible with digital. In fact, if my house burns down, my film will be lost but because of off-site backup, all my digital photography will still be there.
Tangile=is a framed print from a digital file less tangible? Digital printing is a huge business with dedicated photo printers being released.
Costs=difficult to put into numbers. Digital or film can be as cheap or expensive as you want.
So, the arguments are not that one-sided.
That's the question that needs to be answered. Right now there's a ressurgence of film because it seems to be cool with hipsters. Is that a long-term sustainable business model for Kodak Alaris, Ilford, etc?...
people will take pictures with whatever device. why film, first of all?
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why should young generations be encouraged to shoot film? thats what it boils down to imo.
Why do people collect and maintain vintage cars? Renovate old buildings? Make their own clothes? Brew beer and make wine at home? Collect books (and read them)? Make jam? Take up oil painting? Buy vinyl records and turntables? Because such activities are creative, stimulating and FUN. You also LEARN something from them and there is a sense of accomplishment. You can join communities which share those interests, have stimulating discussions and make new friends. You experience something other than the repetitive and boring activities of everyday life. It's therapeutic. Some of these hobbies encourage you to get out, look at the world around you in a different way and work with tangible things instead of just manipulating pixels all day.That's the point. It's very easy to come up with reasons AGAINST film and for digital, but difficult to find simple reasons FOR film. I shoot film because....well, it's a lot of fun.
I share your selfish point of view. And BTW, I listen to vinyl, write with a fountain-pen and use an automatic watch....Even looking at this from a selfish point of view, it would be advantageous if more young people took up film photography. It would encourage film manufacturers to stay in business, film could become more easily obtainable and perhaps even a bit cheaper. Some of us still (hopefully) have a few years or decades ahead of us, and we would like to continue living out our passion for as long as film and equipment is available.
I’m not too sure that she cares about film, or photography in general.pray to holy mary?
I shoot film, wet print, and do alternative processes, so I am sympathetic to your view, but why do you feel the need to denigrate digital photographers to the rank of "happy snapper" who are "just manipulating pixels all day"? You can advocate film photography in a positive way, without demonizing those who have chosen a different path to image making. Your film elitism off-putting.Why do people collect and maintain vintage cars? Renovate old buildings? Make their own clothes? Brew beer and make wine at home? Collect books (and read them)? Make jam? Take up oil painting? Buy vinyl records and turntables? Because such activities are creative, stimulating and FUN. You also LEARN something from them and there is a sense of accomplishment. You can join communities which share those interests, have stimulating discussions and make new friends. You experience something other than the repetitive and boring activities of everyday life. It's therapeutic. Some of these hobbies encourage you to get out, look at the world around you in a different way and work with tangible things instead of just manipulating pixels all day.
Sure, if your goal is just to capture a record of the moment and be a happy snapper, digital is obviously the way to go. Just like driving a vintage car would be ridiculous if your goal was simply to get from point A to point B. Is it worth encouraging others (especially young people) to take up activities like these? YES, because it will enrich their lives.
A while ago I considered joining a camera club because of access to a darkroom. Just no room at my place. Most of my photography is digital, because sports and wildilfe are two areas I especially enjoy. The elitism in that group, who apparently considered everybody who even came near digital a heretic and the dismissive attitude made me reconsider it and I decided against joining them. Now, if I think of young photographers wanting to try film being met with such an attitude........You can advocate film photography in a positive way, without demonizing those who have chosen a different path to image making. It is off-putting.
come on. wasn't it your intention to find ways how to encourage young people to do film photography minutes ago? and revealing your true intention to get better and cheaper supply in the future? pretty weird all that.A while ago I considered joining a camera club because of access to a darkroom. Just no room at my place. Most of my photography is digital, because sports and wildilfe are two areas I especially enjoy. The elitism in that group, who apparently considered everybody who even came near digital a heretic and the dismissive attitude made me reconsider it and I decided against joining them. Now, if I think of young photographers wanting to try film being met with such an attitude....
What's weird. I shoot both digital and film.come on. wasn't it your intention to find ways how to encourage young people to do film photography minutes ago? and revealing your true intention to get better and cheaper supply in the future? pretty weird all that.
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