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My Jobo CPE2 died yesterday, right in the middle of developing four rolls of 135 film. The death was sudden, I was leaning against the darkroom sink when the motor noise changed, then slowed down, really slowed down; we are talking about ten seconds here.

I figured it was dead almost immediately, but I had other priorities to worry about. I had four rolls of film from a university graduation ceremony; that was my priority. The Jobo was dead, keeping the film alive was immediately my number one aim.

Fortunately I was able to pull the film drum off from the cogs, turn it around and lay it down on the single roller wheel set and hand turn it back and forth. Making sure I didn’t lose too much developing solution along the way. As I only had around 500ml of solution, standing the tank up; which requires 1000ml of solution, was not going to work. Eventually I filled in the stop bath, rotated it for 30 or so seconds then poured the fixer in.

Once the fixer was in for a few rotations, back and forth, et cetera. I stood the tank up, pulled the cog lid off, and then replaced it with a funnel lid. From then on I wasn’t worried about losing the solution and as temperature wasn’t that important, I rolled the tank on the two red holding rings in the sink to finish off. I finished the washing the same way. Fortunately the cold water temperature at the moment is around 20.5ºC; perfect.

The film was perfect, well, to me anyway, the negatives looked pretty good on the light box.

Back to the Jobo. I figured it was going to die sooner rather than later. I purchased it brand spanking new in 1987. It has literally done thousands upon thousands of rolls of 135 film, a handful of 120 film, along with thousands of 4x5” sheet film. Not to mention the 100 or so 30cm x 40cm Duratrans sheets along with a couple of thousand or so colour prints from some wedding stuff I did back then, prior to switching to RA4 and a Durst Printo paper processor.

I have processed, C41, E6, EP2, RA4, B&W lithographic line film, B&W lithographic half tone film, B&W lithographic duplicating film and finally, normal B&W film. I’ve cross processed both C41 and E6 film, reversal processed B&W film, made Duratrans for backlit displays. Plus, there is other weird stuff that I have fiddled with but cannot remember off the top of my head.

The Jobo owes me nothing and I was gradually moving away from using it, switching to the SP445 tank for all of my 4x5” film work since the kickstarter project release of that tank. All of my printing is with RC paper and the Durst Printo did all of my colour work before I ceased printing colour. These days I use the Durst Printo for B&W printing, which it is marvellous at doing. So my Jobo was only doing 135 format film.

I have a spare CPE2 Jobo processor as a parts bin, I’m not sure if I can get my old one working, but I’m not that worried about it. Being retired and now not doing any photography for commissioned work, my throughput is now greatly reduced. Film developing happens when it happens.

Just thought people would like to know how hard a Jobo processor can work, before quietly shutting down.

It has been a magical ride!

Mick.
 

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Yes,that sudden death was surprising. I assume I am not the only one to have considered electricity breakdown. Be it the net or the own house. And thus considering a back-up supply. But your experience shows that being prepared for a sudden processor failure is important too.
May it be a dry roller-stage, a piece of board to roll on, or just being prepared to react. As, without means, rolling the drum along the edge of the lab desk.

Though other issues remain. As knowing the processing times. With an automated processor you still see the the mechanical action. But the same time you would have to save the pepared baths from getting sucked in, but instead get the bottles in time out and have beakers ready to use for measuring.
Or even better stop the whole process at the end of the running stage to better prepare the rest of manual processing.
 

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I had the same exact problem with my vintage cpe2 from the early 80s. The driver control board is all analog and some of the 30 year old caps died killing a couple transistors. New caps + new transistors and it works as new.
Then, the pump died. But that's another story!
 

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Well, it sounds as if it did you proud over the years Mick. :smile:

But I'm a bit miffed this end to hear that '...the cold water temperature at the moment is around 20.5ºC; perfect.'

I think mine is about a tenth of yours at the moment... bah humbug! But seriously, enjoy the lovely weather while it's there. Our spring and hopefully a rise in temperatures is a least a few months away.

Terry S
 

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Well, I do enough processing still that if my CPP2 were to die on me, I would buy a CPP3 without hesitation. It would pay for itself within 4 years in savings over lab fees, and then be good for another 25+ years. My current CPP2 is a late 90s version, I think, so I'm not worried yet about it failing. Knock on wood.
 

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Should this thread be in the "In Memoriam" sub-folder? :whistling:
If I were you, I'd contact CatLabs in the US to ask for suggestions.
 

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My CPE2 motor died several months ago but I continue to use it by rolling the drum by hand. The temp control for the water still works and the lift to pour off solutions is very handy so I just continue to use it for color work. The price of a new one is beyond my budget right now.

EDIT - I did pick up a used motor from CatLabs but I suspect that something in the control board is out of whack because it does not work either.
 

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If you lived near by, I'd offer to help repair it. I love working on electronics from that era. That was the golden age of repairable electronics, as far as I'm concerned.

In any case, this is a good reminder to anyone who owns anything electronic dating from the 90's or earlier. It's time to replace the electrolytic capacitors if you haven't already done so. They are supposed to only last around 10-20 years (though can sometimes go much longer). If you rely on old electronics, consider it as part of routine maintenance. It's an easy enough job to DIY, assuming you can solder. Just be sure to align the positive and negative sides properly, and don't overheat those old circuit boards, or you can lift a trace. If you do lift a trace, just replace it with a wire.
 

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I repaired a Jobo processor a few years back but cannot remember the model.
It had quit reversing. The DC motor had the polarity to the motor reversed by a relay to change rotation direction.
After searching on line electronic retailers and not finding a replacement relay I opened the existing one, burnished the carbon build up from the contacts, and reassembled it. It worked fine.
There is nothing complicated in older Jobo processors, input goes to a step down transformer with 2 or 3 secondaries. Each secondary has a bridge rectifier, electrolytic capacitor filters, current regulator SCR or transistors for the display.
A DC motor of the same voltage and speed should not be too difficult to source. Nylon gears and cams may have to be 3D printed. Caps and resistors should be easy to source, transistors and other solid state devices might become hard to find as demand for them diminishes.
 
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Many thanks to all for the various suggestions.

AgX, I didn’t have time to think, I just acted. Fortunately my timer is a very old wind up Junghans stop watch. Simply a case of looking at the watch, making a couple of adjustments on the fly and it all worked out. You are certainly correct about losing mains power being an issue, more so in the warmer months down here.

Twelvetone, never heard of a CPE2 with a pump, I think you are mixing it with a more expensive up market model. Nonetheless, interesting to find they are reasonably easy to repair.

Tezzasmall, I know what you mean about the water temperature, but at the moment, unprecedented hot weather is happening all over this continent. I expect to see the cold water temperature to hit the mid to high 20’s in February. We had a 42ºC day yesterday, currently it is 30ºC as I’m having breakfast.

The Flying Camera, in your position I would pick up another processor as quick as anything. But having retired 7 years ago after being self-employed for the last 22 years of my working life, I have slowed down enough to not need another Jobo. That said, never say never. A CPP2 with a professional tank for my 4x5” stuff would be nice.

Matt, in memoriam indeed, but it would be over my dead body. I picked up one of these last month with all the fruit. There is no way I could justify another toy right now, even to myself. There is next year though….

https://lagunatools.com/classic-machinery/wood-lathe-machines/revo-2436-lathe-220-volt/

Pioneer, that is an interesting way of doing things, hadn’t thought of that. I agree, the lift is very handy, in fact, almost mandatory for C41 work with the super short developing bath time.

Doc W, I agree with you 100%.

Jim 10219 Would love to live closer to you, but that is not going to happen.

Shutterfinger, I believe you, but when it comes to electronics, I’m pretty useless.

Mick.
 

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When I was a kid I thought Jobo was a gimmick. Boy was I wrong, I have a CPP2 with a lift that I bought "parts only" spent a week cleaning the lime off it. Put a new switch in I got from Catlabs, been using it for the last 5 years. First Jobo I got, a Duolab, is a great little machine. I also picked up a CPE2 Plus with a lift from a friend .

These machines are amazing, I really want a CPP3, like a kid wants the latest toy.

Mick, 30 plus years is a pretty good run!
 

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My Jobo CPE2 died yesterday, right in the middle of developing four rolls of 135 film. The death was sudden, I was leaning against the darkroom sink when the motor noise changed, then slowed down, really slowed down; we are talking about ten seconds here.
That sounds like the motor died, typical for a brush type DC motor.
Know that old school electronics repairman down the road from you about to retire? Offer some portrait work for the repair.:smile:
 
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That sounds like the motor died, typical for a brush type DC motor.
Know that old school electronics repairman down the road from you about to retire? Offer some portrait work for the repair.:smile:

Hmm, interesting; maybe, just maybe.....

MSHCHEM, yep a good run. When I first bought it, I can remember sitting down in the darkroom looking at it as I read the instruction manual and thinking, "have I bought something that won't be used that much?"

I was terribly wrong; fell deeply and madly in love with it.

Mick.
 

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My Jobo CPE2 died yesterday, right in the middle of developing four rolls of 135 film. The death was sudden, I was leaning against the darkroom sink when the motor noise changed, then slowed down, really slowed down; we are talking about ten seconds here.

I figured it was dead almost immediately, but I had other priorities to worry about. I had four rolls of film from a university graduation ceremony; that was my priority. The Jobo was dead, keeping the film alive was immediately my number one aim.

Fortunately I was able to pull the film drum off from the cogs, turn it around and lay it down on the single roller wheel set and hand turn it back and forth. Making sure I didn’t lose too much developing solution along the way. As I only had around 500ml of solution, standing the tank up; which requires 1000ml of solution, was not going to work. Eventually I filled in the stop bath, rotated it for 30 or so seconds then poured the fixer in.

Once the fixer was in for a few rotations, back and forth, et cetera. I stood the tank up, pulled the cog lid off, and then replaced it with a funnel lid. From then on I wasn’t worried about losing the solution and as temperature wasn’t that important, I rolled the tank on the two red holding rings in the sink to finish off. I finished the washing the same way. Fortunately the cold water temperature at the moment is around 20.5ºC; perfect.

The film was perfect, well, to me anyway, the negatives looked pretty good on the light box.

Back to the Jobo. I figured it was going to die sooner rather than later. I purchased it brand spanking new in 1987. It has literally done thousands upon thousands of rolls of 135 film, a handful of 120 film, along with thousands of 4x5” sheet film. Not to mention the 100 or so 30cm x 40cm Duratrans sheets along with a couple of thousand or so colour prints from some wedding stuff I did back then, prior to switching to RA4 and a Durst Printo paper processor.

I have processed, C41, E6, EP2, RA4, B&W lithographic line film, B&W lithographic half tone film, B&W lithographic duplicating film and finally, normal B&W film. I’ve cross processed both C41 and E6 film, reversal processed B&W film, made Duratrans for backlit displays. Plus, there is other weird stuff that I have fiddled with but cannot remember off the top of my head.

The Jobo owes me nothing and I was gradually moving away from using it, switching to the SP445 tank for all of my 4x5” film work since the kickstarter project release of that tank. All of my printing is with RC paper and the Durst Printo did all of my colour work before I ceased printing colour. These days I use the Durst Printo for B&W printing, which it is marvellous at doing. So my Jobo was only doing 135 format film.

I have a spare CPE2 Jobo processor as a parts bin, I’m not sure if I can get my old one working, but I’m not that worried about it. Being retired and now not doing any photography for commissioned work, my throughput is now greatly reduced. Film developing happens when it happens.

Just thought people would like to know how hard a Jobo processor can work, before quietly shutting down.

It has been a magical ride!

Mick.
thanks for sharing
 

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Ha right! sorry my is a CPA2, I always confuse the two. But I guess the electronics and motor driver will be pretty similar.
 

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Ha right! sorry my is a CPA2, I always confuse the two. But I guess the electronics and motor driver will be pretty similar.
Not sure about the CPE, but on the CPA/CPP, the reversing motor is a Mercedes windscreen wiper motor. It's probably different on the CPE because it doesn't need the torque to drive Expert drums (which are a lot bigger and heavier than the 1500/2500 series drums.
 

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Unfortunately mine is the older version that does not mount the expert drums :sad: But nevertheless what had died was two caps + the power transistor that runs the motor.
 

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Brushes are usually the first to go and as they wear down the commutator they contacts wears down and shorts. The commutator can be cleaned, regrooved, gaps cut, and new brushes installed but finding the correct brushes can be difficult.
Other motors are designed to be tossed when they die.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1&q=commutator
 

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The motor in the CPE2 is a Mercedes head rest motor ( among other things ). I don't recall the model I bought one for. Found one used on Ebay, was an exact fit. I was also able to source the original. See if you can find a,

Bosch 0 390 206 692
 
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Brushes are usually the first to go and as they wear down the commutator they contacts wears down and shorts. ...but finding the correct brushes can be difficult.

One may grind/mill a carbon brush to size.
 

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Digging around last night I found it was a CPE-2 that I had worked on.
CPE-2.jpg
 
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