Monthly Shooting Assignment - September/October: High Noon

[sly]

I get it that life gets in the way. Still a few days left, a bit of extra time may manifest. If not, hope you post some of your Efke photos whenever they're ready.

He looks like a cool dude, but definitely not my dream......

 

[StoneNYC]

I get it that life gets in the way. Still a few days left, a bit of extra time may manifest. If not, hope you post some of your Efke photos whenever they're ready.

He looks like a cool dude, but definitely not my dream......

He's a Seattle-ite... Very beatnick looking

I'll get the EFKE don't but I really wanted to submit the color IR shot


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[NedL]

I'm still waiting for Stone's entry. I dreamt about it last night, and can still see the photo my sub-conscious ascribed to him. C'mon Stone! Am I psychic?

Me too! Ever since Polyglot mentioned this assignment would be good for IR, I've been wondering about it. I've never shot IR so I don't know why noon would be good. I'm really curious now, and I want to know if some of the neat-looking IR photos I've seen were shot at mid-day.

Stone, I hope you will post the E-6 IR even if it isn't ready in time for the contest. I think the MSA is more than just the contest part.

 

[StoneNYC]

Me too! Ever since Polyglot mentioned this assignment would be good for IR, I've been wondering about it. I've never shot IR so I don't know why noon would be good. I'm really curious now, and I want to know if some of the neat-looking IR photos I've seen were shot at mid-day.

Stone, I hope you will post the E-6 IR even if it isn't ready in time for the contest. I think the MSA is more than just the contest part.

Ok here's one from January 2013 shot on IR at noon... The proof of time is part of the image.




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[polyglot]

Me too! Ever since Polyglot mentioned this assignment would be good for IR, I've been wondering about it. I've never shot IR so I don't know why noon would be good. I'm really curious now, and I want to know if some of the neat-looking IR photos I've seen were shot at mid-day.

It works well because there's plenty of light (IR films tend not to be very sensitive, I shoot IR820 at EI1 = f/16 1s in full sun including the R72 filter) and for some reason you don't seem to get the horrible starkness of shadow that you do with shorter wavelengths, so it's not as bad for downsides at noon as a normal film. Obviously it can work really well with evening light too, but that's harder to estimate exposure for.

Some examples shot around noon, not in-month: new growth, private bay, big lake (only a week early!), lake near Peggy's Cove (again), cabot trail, Terelj, Terelj Fence, moonscape.

And in evening light, showing that that's good too, but not dramatically better than at noon. So if you're wandering around in the noonday heat thinking "damn this light sucks, what a waste of my travel", bust out the IR film.

 

[StoneNYC]

It works well because there's plenty of light (IR films tend not to be very sensitive, I shoot IR820 at EI1 = f/16 1s in full sun including the R72 filter) and for some reason you don't seem to get the horrible starkness of shadow that you do with shorter wavelengths, so it's not as bad for downsides at noon as a normal film. Obviously it can work really well with evening light too, but that's harder to estimate exposure for.

Some examples shot around noon, not in-month: new growth, private bay, big lake (only a week early!), lake near Peggy's Cove (again), cabot trail, Terelj, Terelj Fence, moonscape.

And in evening light, showing that that's good too, but not dramatically better than at noon. So if you're wandering around in the noonday heat thinking "damn this light sucks, what a waste of my travel", bust out the IR film.

Wow, what the heck am I doing wrong?

I can't seem to get anything like this, everything I shoot is over exposed and I'm using the proper filter B+W brand so it's not junk.

Is the Rollei just not capable of getting that because it's only in the 700's?


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[polyglot]

Dunno. What exposure are you using? How are you metering? Which exact filter do you use, i.e. what wavelength? (Mine is a generic uncoated-glass Chinese R72 clone, i.e. 720nm cutoff)

If it's always overexposed, did you, um, try exposing less?

The IR820 is definitely better (more Woods Effect) than the Rollei in side-by-side comparisons, but I've seen decent results from the Rollei on flickr too. And certainly I'm hoping the Rollei isn't toooo bad, since I bought 200' of it in 70mm to use once my little stash of 120 IR820 runs out (4 rolls left). Happily I have about 370 sheets of 4x5 too

 

[MattKing]

This was shot using a Hoya R72 and the Rollei: (there was a url link here which no longer exists)

See the notes and comments.

I think the trick is that you cannot of course meter for the IR, so you are essentially metering for the visible light, filtering it all out, and then guessing how much IR accompanies the visible light. So as guessing is involved, I recommend bracketing.

This shot is in keeping with the MSA theme, but shot a long time ago. There is another one from the same roll in my gallery.

 

[NedL]

It works well because there's plenty of light (IR films tend not to be very sensitive, I shoot IR820 at EI1 = f/16 1s in full sun including the R72 filter) and for some reason you don't seem to get the horrible starkness of shadow that you do with shorter wavelengths, so it's not as bad for downsides at noon as a normal film. Obviously it can work really well with evening light too, but that's harder to estimate exposure for.

Some examples shot around noon, not in-month: new growth, private bay, big lake (only a week early!), lake near Peggy's Cove (again), cabot trail, Terelj, Terelj Fence, moonscape.

And in evening light, showing that that's good too, but not dramatically better than at noon. So if you're wandering around in the noonday heat thinking "damn this light sucks, what a waste of my travel", bust out the IR film.

Those are exquisite. That island out in the distance in "private bay" is like some kind of dream, and so many of those skies have wonderful character even without clouds. I'm stunned by these. I love the way foliage seems to come alive in IR. There is something subtle and appealing about the evening light one, but I sure see what you mean!

Stone's and Matt's examples have lighter skies, which is interesting to think about. Thank you very much for sharing these!

 

[TheToadMen]

Some examples shot around noon, not in-month: new growth, private bay, big lake (only a week early!), lake near Peggy's Cove (again), cabot trail, Terelj, Terelj Fence, moonscape.
And in evening light, showing that that's good too, but not dramatically better than at noon. So if you're wandering around in the noonday heat thinking "damn this light sucks, what a waste of my travel", bust out the IR film.

Nice IR examples, thanks for sharing. I like Latrigg Dam (= in evening light) best.

 

[StoneNYC]

Hmm I have the B+W #92, it's a 650 cutoff but says passes 50% from 650-700 and 90% from 730-2000

The next step up is a #93 but it starts at 1% at 800 so 800 is beyond the Rollei as far as I understand?

Did I get the wrong version? I know people use the R72 but I don't like the Hoya filters and thought the B+W 92 was the same filter?


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[MattKing]

Hmm I have the B+W #92, it's a 650 cutoff but says passes 50% from 650-700 and 90% from 730-2000

The next step up is a #93 but it starts at 1% at 800 so 800 is beyond the Rollei as far as I understand?

Did I get the wrong version? I know people use the R72 but I don't like the Hoya filters and thought the B+W 92 was the same filter?


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I think your problem is as much with your exposure choices as it is with filter choice. Although that 50% cutoff between 650-700 lets in a lot of visible light.

Of course, you may just be unlucky in your choice of subjects .

 

[StoneNYC]

I think your problem is as much with your exposure choices as it is with filter choice. Although that 50% cutoff between 650-700 lets in a lot of visible light.

Of course, you may just be unlucky in your choice of subjects .

Well the literature on B&H for Hoya is less clear.. And Hoya saying it has no transition point from full throughput to none at all as a cutoff seems unlikely ... There must be some transition, so I assumed B+W was just more accurate with it's description but had the same characteristics as the Hoya... Anyone know officially?




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[sly]

All this discussion is just increasing my grief for the disappearance of HIE. I have a single roll left in the freezer. Just needed a red 25. Could compose and focus with the filter on and hand-hold the camera. Back in the day, it was my favorite summer film. Nothing else worked on those blazing days. Will never be able to take photos like this with Rollei or Efke.

http://silverlilly.zenfolio.com/p547650965/h2cd99ae5#h2cd99ae5

This is a high noon shot, but over a decade old.

Sigh....

 

[adelorenzo]

At my latitude the light at high noon gets pretty directional this time of year making for some interesting shadows. (As an aside: It's a shame that this assignment doesn't cover December as high noon is part of the golden hour up here!)

These shots are taken last weekend with my Pentax 645NII, Tri-X developed in HC-110. Mix of clouds and open sun. Sorry about the excessive grain I am terrible at scanning. The prints are coming out really nice!


Carcross desert by Dead Link Removed, on Flickr


Tracks in the Carcross desert by Dead Link Removed, on Flickr

 

[polyglot]

Hmm I have the B+W #92, it's a 650 cutoff but says passes 50% from 650-700 and 90% from 730-2000

The next step up is a #93 but it starts at 1% at 800 so 800 is beyond the Rollei as far as I understand?

Did I get the wrong version? I know people use the R72 but I don't like the Hoya filters and thought the B+W 92 was the same filter?

Yeah, you got the wrong version. You're letting in so much red light that the IR exposure is swamped by the visible exposure.

 

[StoneNYC]

Yeah, you got the wrong version. You're letting in so much red light that the IR exposure is swamped by the visible exposure.

OH!

Someone said the #93 since it starts at 800 would expose BLANK, is this wrong?

It would surprise me if B+W just didn't make a filter that all the other companies make...


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[polyglot]

It looks like B+W don't make an appropriate filter. The 092 and 093 are gradual-cutoff filters like Hoya's RM series whereas what you want is a sharp-cutoff filter like the R72.

Hoya specifications, noting (from the graph) that the R72 transition band covers only ~710-740nm.

 

[polyglot]

All this discussion is just increasing my grief for the disappearance of HIE. I have a single roll left in the freezer. Just needed a red 25. Could compose and focus with the filter on and hand-hold the camera. Back in the day, it was my favorite summer film. Nothing else worked on those blazing days. Will never be able to take photos like this with Rollei or Efke.

http://silverlilly.zenfolio.com/p547650965/h2cd99ae5#h2cd99ae5

This is a high noon shot, but over a decade old.

Sigh....

That's awesome.

 

[StoneNYC]

It looks like B+W don't make an appropriate filter. The 092 and 093 are gradual-cutoff filters like Hoya's RM series whereas what you want is a sharp-cutoff filter like the R72.

Hoya specifications, noting (from the graph) that the R72 transition band covers only ~710-740nm.

Darn.... That was an expansive filter!

Anyone want to trade? I doubt B&H would take it back now...


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[Fixcinater]

I'll sneak in a last-minute entry.

Pentax 6x7 MLU
Pentax 67 45/4.0 @ f/8.0
Kodak TXP 320 at 200, 8 mins in HC110 1:49
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[TheToadMen]

I'll sneak in a last-minute entry.

Pentax 6x7 MLU
Pentax 67 45/4.0 @ f/8.0
Kodak TXP 320 at 200, 8 mins in HC110 1:49
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Nice.
A 45 mm lens at 6x7 gives a very nice angle of view.

BTW:
Is it a self portrait?
(shadow @ bottom, left corner)

 

[sly]

Great to see more entries!

Like your desert shots, adelorenzo. Most folks don't associate the Yukon and a desert. Is this the one that FixinqHarper ATV'd across?

Yours looks deserty too, Fixinator. A place I'd want to stay out of the sun at high noon. American southwest?

 

[Fixcinater]

Sly, you're right. About as far south and west as you can go in the USA: San Diego. No cloud cover that day.

Bert, yes, I admit my head made a sneak appearance. Still getting used to the crop from viewfinder on the Pentax.

 

[adelorenzo]

The Carcross desert is billed as the world's smallest desert, basically an old lake bed but it's got dunes and whatnot. It was indeed where the PM was ATVing last year, good memory!