Although I relapsed to Xtol I kept my old samples from the Xtol Concentrate thread , stored in 1/3 full containers.
The Mocon has gone orange after ~18 months and the original sample that I tested for longevity in that thread has gone reddish brown after about 30 months.
Pics of them in white plastic containers, depth of developer concentrate about 2mm are attached.
Mark suggests that the coloration and emission of bubbles on shaking are not due to what I originally thought, oxidation of ascorbate.
This should baffle even the good chemists.
If the orange Mocon is diluted to ~ 10% in water the color is virtually the same orange.
If ascorbic acid is added the color is lightened but still orange. It can be restored to the original by adding sodium carbonate.
The ascorbate print developer Neutol Plus shows a yellow to orange coloration in an apparently similar way, see Richard Knoppow:
http://www.photography-forums.com/agfa-neutol-t93768.html
I have had the orange color in an old glass bottle of 5x concentrate of Ryuji Suzuki's DS-12 which is metol (not phenidone)/ascorbate based so I think the orange color probably comes from the ascorbate.
The orange color doesn't show up in old Xtol because sulfite probably stops that reaction IMO.
I don't know what the orange compound is, but by all accounts it seems to be formed without air or with very little.
I just came across the thread for Mocon yesterday, and I immediately ordered the chemicals from Photo Formulary. The reason is, I just recently threw out 4 liters of XTOL and didn't want to do it again.
What I am wondering is could I use it in a Jobo CPE2 Plus? If so could I get some idea of starting times to use with the developer? I am using 120 roll film and am wondering also if I would be better off using the 1500 series of drums or the 2500 series. I would assume because of the larger diameter of the 2500 tanks, the developing of the film would be more aggressive. Is that true, or is the difference negligible. I recently decided to get back into photography and I had a smattering of equipment, but went on Ebay and bought a few things to play with.
I have liked everything I have heard about XTOL, that when I saw the thread about Mocon, my excitement level on the meter rose a great deal, actually it went though the roof, and I am on the ground floor. Now I want to go through with pursuing this line fairly aggressively, even though I don't like to be too aggressive about anything, but I think this might be worth it.
Thank you for all of your passionate work and devotion,
SL
Xtol starts with a single package, which means you can't really separate the Sulfite from the other compounds. And the Sulfite won't dissolve in TEA ...
Add to this the fact that TEA will change the pH of your soup, so you'd have to reformulate anyway ...
Ah thanks, but xtol packets are in part A and B though. But I assume the sulfite is mixed in both? Oh well, it would have been nice though, to get the benefits in this concentrate by modifying a commercial product for people who are chemically trained/ skilled.
I have one more quick question. What is a good way to heat the beaker while mixing the concentrate? I'm thinking water bath... SL
I was able to procure a 7" x 19" x 2mm thick plate. At $2 per pound, it cost me $2. I was moving along and trying to heat the plate to 75 degrees F and then after about 10 minutes of stirring the solution wasn't clearing, so I read the instructions and saw that letter "C" after the number 75. ie. 75C not 75F. Then I had to scramble for a thermometer that would go that high, continued to stir chemicals adding them one at a time and sliding the beaker between the hot part of the plate to the cooler section and everything worked fine. Great idea. I did noticed one thing and that was a little bit of smoke rising from the beaker, I think it was from the beaker. Is this normal?
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