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The chief goal of my photography is to have nice things to hang on the wall, personal to me. I print all my 'keepers' to 16"x12" on Ilford Classic FB Gloss, selenium toned, and dry mount them on 1.5mm board. I have 3 re-useable frames on the wall, and change the prints in them according to mood/season/whim. To the eye, the dry-mounted but un-framed photos look terrific: dead flat, deep blacks and no distracting reflections. Once behind glass, though, it's a different story. The frames have ordinary glass (not non-reflective) which I chose deliberately because my experience of non-reflective glass had been that it made a bright photo look very dull. Even the ordinary glass robs the print of a lot of its richness, and from most angles you can't appreciate the whole print because of reflections. Neither the natural light in our house not the electric lights help here. The latter is possibly fixable (if I knew what to do), but in daylight reflections from windows are inescapable, not least because we have limited wall space.

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There are special glasses offered for framing that reduce specular reflection:

-) by fine matting the surface (similar to AN-glass)

-) by dichroic coating (similar to AR lens-coating)
 

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I used to use the finely textured "anti-reflective" glass and grew tired of it quickly because it degraded the appearance of prints so drastically. Then I started framing without glass and I have quite liked it. I have a few Fuji Supergloss prints that look really nice and some RA-4 luster prints that I used a luster spray coating on. If they ever get dusty, it's easy to clean them off. I now use the "museum glass" that has the AR coatings and I really like it. The expense is worth it. I have a couple of limited edition prints from an artist in the UK that are matte surface inkjet paper and it would be bad for those to get scratched or brushed against. AR glass, just like multi-coated filters, can be difficult to clean if you get fingerprints on it so best not to grease it up.
 

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For the short term no glazing is ok, but even regular glass or acrylic will block a significant amount of UV radiation. Non glare glass which uses the etched surface is the least expensive way to reduce reflections, but as many have noticed there is a loss of sharpness due to the etching. In addition, since there is still significant reflection the light transmission is reduced, and regular glass has a slight green tint which all combined will certain reduce the vibrancy of an image.

Museum glass uses an anti-reflective coating similar to what is found on glasses you wear so no loss of sharpness. Museum glass also has reduced iron content so it is "water white" and it has much higher light transmission so it is the next best thing to no glazing at all while still providing a lot of protection. My company sells Artglass which has all the advantages of Museum glass but with lower UV protection (92%) and non UV protection (70%). The non UV protection is significant less expensive than Museum glass if you are not worried about the UV filter. Also, if you are framing prints on papers with high content of optical brighteners, the UV filter on UV protection glazing will shutdown the optical brighteners causing an yellowing effect.

We also carry the acrylic version of Museum glass called Optium, but it does have the 99% UV filter.

https://www.framedestination.com/framing-supplies/glass-and-acrylic.html
 

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Position the framed print so that it does not catch reflections from the viewers perspective. This could mean moving the print a few inches, adjusting lighting or adjusting the angle of the print against the wall by a few degrees using small spacers attached to the back of the frame. Also, do not hang prints directly across from a strong light source such as a window. One of the most annoying aspects of the now-defunct Annenberg Space for Photography in Los Angeles was a wall that was directly opposite a row of floor-to-ceiling windows maybe 15 ft or less away. Even though the curtains were drawn, they were not opaque or dark enough to prevent nasty reflections in the photos hung in that area. If I am not mistaken, the space had not originally been intended for a gallery but as a restaurant.
 

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Position the framed print so that it does not catch reflections from the viewers perspective.

Great point. If you have control over the lighting, proper lighting can be very cost effective. Gallery lighting is generally accomplished with a light above the image and not too far from the wall so the reflections would only be visible to small chidden having to look up at the painting. If you care about longevity certainly avoid any place that get direct sunlight. Even with 99% UV filter the energy from direct sunlight will take a toll on the artwork. In fact it is often better to use regular glass in a part of a room without direct sunlight than a 99% UV filter glass in a part of the same room with direct sunlight.
 

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The only suggestion I have is, just don't put the photos behind glass. You could mount them in a "box" on the wall. Essentially, a deep frame w/ your print floated within. Or, have them float on the wall. Mine are glued to canvas you can get at Hobby Lobby for ridiculously low prices, something like $10 for 10 canvas stretched on stretcher bars in different sizes. Once glued (reversible art spray adhesive stuff), I use thin wood around it to frame things up.
 

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What do mean by "float"? Hanging without contact to the rear of the frame or to the wall?
 
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Some very useful ideas here, thanks to all. My 3-frame personal exhibition space(!) is in a north-facing room to avoid direct sunlight, so I think I need to go down the gallery lights route anyway, even though wiring them in will be a real PITA. Are there recommendations available anywhere on what distance, type of bulb (for =viewing b/w prints), number of lights per picture, etc?

I will also investigate museum glass options. The expense should be bearable since it is only for 3 frames. I really appreciate the tips about the different types of glass, reflections, UV-protection, fingerprints, etc.

'No glass' is definitely not an option for me. We live on a farm, and we burn wood in the house, so there is always plenty of dust. Also, my 'exhibition space' is in the dining room, which leads off the kitchen, so dust tends to be the sticky variety!
 

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It's expensive, but I'd second the suggestion of museum glass. I don't use it for everything, but for "special" prints. At a certain side angle, you will see a dull colored reflection of any light source nearby, but standing pretty much in front of the piece you won't even see the glass.
 

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We should not overlook that there is more than one manufacturer of sheet glass with reduced reflection and that there is a variety of sorts.
 

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The only suggestion I have is, just don't put the photos behind glass. You could mount them in a "box" on the wall. Essentially, a deep frame w/ your print floated within. Or, have them float on the wall. Mine are glued to canvas you can get at Hobby Lobby for ridiculously low prices, something like $10 for 10 canvas stretched on stretcher bars in different sizes. Once glued (reversible art spray adhesive stuff), I use thin wood around it to frame things up.
Yecch.
 

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I simply frame with cheap plastic click-in frame and standard "water glass "..altho it'd be nice to avoid contact between print and glass, I find zero bad results with that contact. I always have a dozen, maybe, prints hung around the house and in my workspace/studio. Glare isn't a problem for prints that are properly located.

The only motivation (for me) to click shutter is prints.

If I have not personally printed it, it's not a photograph. In practice, then, if I do what I do properly I'm lucky to make a photograph or several in a month, except when I'm working on a project.

Viewing critically, prints show no sign of fading or shifting after months in strong daylight. Most are 11X17.

My prints are all inkjet, which is inherently "archival" with modern Canon pigments. Modern times.

A photographer/printer friend has just sent samples of Japanese Washi paper. Beautiful stuff, I'm eager to try it.

Modern work in significant galleries usually specifies "archival inkjet" or similar , at least a often as silver.
 
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Glare isn't a problem for prints that are properly located.
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My prints are all inkjet, which is inherently "archival" with modern Canon pigments. Modern times.
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Modern work in significant galleries usually specifies "archival inkjet" or similar , at least a often as silver.

That's all well and good, but I don't have much choice over where in the house to locate my prints. All other options are worse. Likewise, I am committed to a fully analogue process. Gelatine sticks to glass, so I use bevelled window mounts between my (dry-mounted) prints and the glass.
 

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Optically coated glass, which is quite distinct from textured anti-reflective picture glass, is a potential answer, but expensive, fragile, needs to be very carefully cleaned just like a lens, and like all glass per se, is subject to condensation behind it in a humid or poorly insulated environment. "Museum glass" tends to be slightly tinted to block a bit of UV, much like an 81 camera filter; but in my experience, the amount of cumulative UV blockage is nil, and the yellowish or pinkish tint spoils certain colors, especially blues. Optically coated acrylic versions of both now exist - difficult to break and a way better thermal insulator, but ridiculously expensive for anything but a small print. For something like a mounted 30X40 inch print, I'd personally tack on a thousand dollar surchage plus the basic mounting and framing expense to do that kind of option for a customer.

There is nothing particularly "archival" about inkjet prints, and their track record is still quite brief. NONE are pigment prints - that's a deceptive marketing myth. They are complex blends of rather ordinary photographic dyes, lakes (dyed inert pigment particles), and some actual very finely ground pigments. How well they resist fading will differ with respect to the actual proportions of respective colorants involved, because those inks don't all fade at the same rate. Some hues will fade faster than others. And UV light is present not only in direct sunlight, but also in much of this new energy saving lighting, and bad for any kind of colorant. All that being said, some inkjet prints "might" survive on display longer than certain chromogenic photographic papers per se; but I probably won't be around long enough myself to give the answer. Color print permanence
in general has greatly improved in recent decades.

Second, Inkjet prints outgas PEG for awhile. PEG is a necessary ingredient to discourage the drying out of the colorants so they can still get through those tiny nozzles. Frame one of these prematurely, and there might be fogging behind the glass; or if the image is placed in direct contact with the glass, it could get stuck or ferrotyped with mismatched shiny areas.

Another tidbit - one of the worst things to either your personal health or print dyes you can use to mount photos are these aerosol art contact cements. Bad, bad, potentially lethal stuff. Not exaggerating. Back in that era they first arrived, when they were routinely used in pro frame shops, there was an outright epidemic of premature deaths. That kind of product should only be used in relation to a spark-proof industrial spray booth with excellent air removal. It's just like working with nitrocellulose lacquers or, more appropriately described, just like sniffing glue - cause that's exactly what you are doing, and each time you inhale some, a few more brain cells die.
 
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I would seriously look into some sort of gallery lighting. A few years ago we remodeled the living room, and instead of scattering my prints around the house with whatever combination of window and bulb light that happened to be there, I decided to dedicate one wall with room for four 20x24 frames and track lighting I purchased from Tailored Lighting. There is one light for each photo, a couple of feet out from the wall. It made even my photos look good! There is absolutely no glare, it makes the color pop, and it actually makes the blacks look blacker (I suspect what is actually happening is that the whites are whiter). I'm sure that there are other sources for this type of lighting - I can't make any comparisons as to quality or cost. My cost was folded into the larger remodel, so I don't remember exactly how much it was, but the investment was absolutely more impactful than a new camera or lens.
 
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I would seriously look into some sort of gallery lighting. A few years ago we remodeled the living room, and instead of scattering my prints around the house with whatever combination of window and bulb light that happened to be there, I decided to dedicate one wall with room for four 20x24 frames and track lighting I purchased from Tailored Lighting. There is one light for each photo, a couple of feet out from the wall. It made even my photos look good! There is absolutely no glare, it makes the color pop, and it actually makes the blacks look blacker (I suspect what is actually happening is that the whites are whiter). I'm sure that there are other sources for this type of lighting - I can't make any comparisons as to quality or cost. My cost was folded into the larger remodel, so I don't remember exactly how much it was, but the investment was absolutely more impactful than a new camera or lens.

Thanks, TmRn, that carries a lot of weight with me. I have been looking at the various lighting options available here (UK). Wiring is going to be a tricky issue, but I think it has to be done. There's no point spoiling the whole exercise by neglecting the final step. I fully believe what you say about the impact relative to that of a new camera or lens.
 

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I use high end UV* anti glare museum glass and am careful where I hang the photograph.

* Mainly for color but I also use it for black & white.
 

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I gave up the glass years ago. We don't put our paintings or etchings behind glass, so why photographic prints? I also exhibit this way.
Go to any museum or gallery. Works on paper are always under glass: etchings, drawings, pastels, photographs. The are all too susceptible to damage without some protection.
 

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Go to any museum or gallery. Works on paper are always under glass: etchings, drawings, pastels, photographs. The are all too susceptible to damage without some protection.

Yes, I know... I've been to museums and galleries, and I've seen some behind glass and some not. The last three shows I had in Japan, I omitted it.
 

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I would seriously look into some sort of gallery lighting. A few years ago we remodeled the living room, and instead of scattering my prints around the house with whatever combination of window and bulb light that happened to be there, I decided to dedicate one wall with room for four 20x24 frames and track lighting I purchased from Tailored Lighting. There is one light for each photo, a couple of feet out from the wall. It made even my photos look good! There is absolutely no glare, it makes the color pop, and it actually makes the blacks look blacker (I suspect what is actually happening is that the whites are whiter).

Actually the blacks are blacker, as there no longer is glare over them .
 

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I have used Museum Wax ( Renaissance Wax Polish ) on prints that I display without glass and it provides protection and deeper blacks on fiber based matted prints. It forms a water resistant, non-yellowing, hard surface.
 
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