MF film rolls: design and convenience

[arigram]

Hi Paul! Ditto what you said; I've been using 120 film for about 40 years with no problems. (Long live 120 film and the 6x6 format) Howard Tanger

You shouldn't listen to us young punks then with our crazy ideas and crazy hairstyles. After all, the reason one uses film is because he is too set in his ways and too old to change them.
I am sure the old TriX was just fine, Ilford HP didn't have to reach number 5 or get a plus, Ilfosol-S shouldn't be made to last longer, FujiFilm shouldn't have added a sticky tape in their rolls and the 120 roll should have remained wooden.

 

[fhovie]

I truely lament the loss of the 616 format films ... aheem

 

[Michel Hardy-Vallée]

For me, an additional improvement would be an easy way to break the seal of the unexposed roll. I always end up using my thumb nail to scratch-break it, because pulling it doesn't work all the time. I don't recall if the Fuji opening seal is the same as their closing self-folded seal, is it?

 

[rpsawin]

I'm just happy that it is still available. The "fixes" would be nice as long as it would not impact availability or cost.

Bob

 

[Paul.]

Maybe Paul you don't care about the advancement of our tools and materials but consider that at least Ilford is listening to us and that others, including FujiFilm, Rollei, Maco, Adox and Kodak are constantly coming out with new products or improving their old.
You are being negative. Suggestions and complains are not just whining and moaning, they are mostly constructive criticism and ideas on improvement coming out from a photographer's experience not a lab designer.
I carry my Hasselblad on the street and know how to handle the film in difficult situations, but considering we are not talking about new or high technology, some improvements that could make our life easier (and help us take better photos), do you think are worthless?
I wouldn't like my film to unroll because the paper didn't stick and because I forgot to carry a rubber band or tape. Its the film manufacturer's duty to come up with a quality product, both in image but also in design.

Sure I care about the advancement of our materials, new films are always welcome but it makes no differance to me if a film reel has 1 or2 slots per side, my cameras only use one. The Fuji reels are slightly easier to load but I have no trouble with any other and do not see the need to ask manufactures to change their suppliers, it just is not a problem for me.
Iwould not like my film to unroll either but sometimes shit just happens, when it does if we are sencible we learn the lesson and ensure it will not happen again. By inlarge film manufacturer's make quality products, it is our duty to use them properly or suffer the consequenses.

It may well be a generational/culteral thing here but I was brought up to get on with the job with the materials to hand. As my Dad used to say " I never said it would be fair or easy, I said that is the job and it has to be done."
I do not bother my self with ifs. If I picked the right numbers this weekend I would never have to work again, untill I do I will report to the man at 7 o clock Monday to Friday. Life is way too short to worry about trivia like this.
Regards Paul.

 

[arigram]

Life is way too short to worry about trivia like this.
Regards Paul.

So, what is exactly your contribution to this thread? Brag that your daddy grew you up correctly unlike us whining bitches? Nobody here complained about 120, threaten to give it up and torch Ilford's offices because they don't have a sticky tape. People here just offered some small suggestions for improvement without expecting them to be included in the next production batch or ever. And there hasn't been a report that film is going to rise 300% because they are changing the whole production line to include a sticky tape or make the wrapper letters more black.
If you are happy the way things are, then cut the FUD (Fear Uncertainty Doubt) and let us bitches whine while you calmy drink whine in your porch and laugh at our childish moaning.

 

[haris]

Arigram, I understay you are upset, but I think you go too far. Paul, it all depends of starting position. Things which are trivia for you for some of us are big problems. I use Ilford FP4+ and HP5+ in 120, lick sticker and glue after exposing roll, and only once I accidentally exposed 3 frames when roll slkip out of my hands when taking is out of camera magazine and unrolled. But, I still had 7 frames left...

But if things like unrolling film start to happen often it would be problem for me too. Maybe for lots of you who have westernes sallaries 3 or 6 USD or euros is not much, but for some of us which come from pourer countries and who have monthly income like yours weeks or some of yours even daily income those prices are significant. That why those thing even if are not real problems for now, is thing we will think about.

One of reasons is manufacturers searh ways to continue to make fils, and one of those ways is changing materials. For example, Ilford will not use same backing paper as before, they changing backing paper for 120 films. I am not saying it will degrade quality, I belive it will not. But, I can imagine in future some manufacturers would start to use cheaper materlial and things like ungluing and unroling 120 film will start to happen. After all, look thread about errors of Efke plan films in one of threads in this forum...

Regards

 

[rpsawin]

So, what is exactly your contribution to this thread? Brag that your daddy grew you up correctly unlike us whining bitches? Nobody here complained about 120, threaten to give it up and torch Ilford's offices because they don't have a sticky tape. People here just offered some small suggestions for improvement without expecting them to be included in the next production batch or ever. And there hasn't been a report that film is going to rise 300% because they are changing the whole production line to include a sticky tape or make the wrapper letters more black.
If you are happy the way things are, then cut the FUD (Fear Uncertainty Doubt) and let us bitches whine while you calmy drink whine in your porch and laugh at our childish moaning.

This type of response makes you sound like a crackpot, a troll. It takes away from the many fine points you have raised. I appreciate your passion and think it will carry you far. Just don't let it carry you over the edge.

Best Regards,

Bob

 

[arigram]

This type of response makes you sound like a crackpot, a troll. It takes away from the many fine points you have raised. I appreciate your passion and think it will carry you far. Just don't let it carry you over the edge.

But I am a crackpot, a vicious man-eating troll, a dangerous lunatic and often go over the edge with my ravings, rants and general bitching. I am a known disruptor of peace, a fanatical insurgent, a foaming mad dog. I spew venom, bitterness and anger. I deserve your contempt, your disgust, your pity. For I crave to be immortalized in a statue made out of cow dung.

Let this thread turn into a flame war.

Best Regards,

Now, that was funny, after what you wrote.

Many, many kisses,
Aristotelis

 

[arigram]

Oh, well, I didn't imagine that this thread would make me lose it and become offensive (as I probably perceived wrongly others to be).
At least I hope some good information is salvaged.
In the end it doesn't really matter as no companies will pay any attention to our proposals, they will just keep cheapening their production designs, as clearly Ilford is doing (because its funding new development and the struggle to keep productions in this shrinking market).
As Paul said, we just gonna have to deal with whatever stuff they give us and be thankful of it.

 

[Paul.]

Haris, I take your point and if I have caused offence I appologise to all. You are right, there are plenty in more difficult circumstances than I, thank you for the reminder.

Arigram, it was not bragging, it was just a statement of how I was brought up. We seem to of had a personality clash here, prehaps time for us both to take your advise and sip some wine and chill out.
Sorry if you felt my posts were negative but I expressed an honestly held oppinion that I stand by, it was not done to be deliberately provecotive towards you or anyone else.

Regards Paul.

 

[arigram]

Sure Paul, lets shake hands.
I was an asshole though so I didn't deserve your calm response.
I just want film to keep advancing and don't feel like being passive when something I have invested my life in (not just something to pass my time) is taking some wrong turns.
I hope companies will keep improving their products and treat us like the elitist eccentrics we are by offering us expensive port and fine caviar wrapped in gold.
But I am not optimistic.

 

[Paul.]

Arigram, you are passionate where as I am practical, if we ever got together think of the damage we could do, the world would be put to right over a bottle of vino and still time to shoot the sunset.

Regards Paul.

 

[Harry Lime]

1. Cross slits on the top and bottom of the plastic roll in which the film winds. Not all manufacturers use it and a single slit makes it a bit more difficult to attach the film to the camera back. One of the reasons I stopped using Tri-X as the ones that I've used had one slit in contrast to the cross slit that Ilford uses.

You stopped using one of the finest b/w emulsions on the planet, because it doesn't have a cross slit on the take up spool?


HL

 

[arigram]

You stopped using one of the finest b/w emulsions on the planet, because it doesn't have a cross slit on the take up spool?

HL

When the tear gas is flying and the riot police is charging and I only have 12 exposures in each film, one slit makes it so much slower to load.
And anyway, I really like HP5+, I don't consider it inferior in any way.

Paul, right on.
But my suggestions also come from practicallity. My thinking though is that if something can be made better, it should.

 

[Harry Lime]

When the tear gas is flying and the riot police is charging and I only have 12 exposures in each film, one slit makes it so much slower to load.
And anyway, I really like HP5+, I don't consider it inferior in any way.

Lee Miller must have had the dexterity of an acrobat...


HL

 

[arigram]

Lee Miller must have had the dexterity of an acrobat...

HL

Cut the irony. We got your point.

 

[Roger Hicks]

But I am a crackpot, a vicious man-eating troll, a dangerous lunatic and often go over the edge with my ravings, rants and general bitching. I am a known disruptor of peace, a fanatical insurgent, a foaming mad dog. I spew venom, bitterness and anger.

No change there, then.

Seriously, I agree that it's something that is well worth discussing, and I hope Ilford will have cast an eye over it. I think they will. Part of the business plan is that the directors deal directly with customers so they don't get too insulated from reality.

Cheers,

R.

 

[NikoSperi]

...and

Lee Miller must have had the dexterity of an acrobat...


HL

I'm pretty sure she looked alot better too!

FWIW, I don't have issue with the one slit vs two slits for TX, nor do I mind the lick'n'stick. I do miss the minty flavor (Ilford briefly experiments with that I seem to recall - can we bring it back?) and I have never had it unstick. In fact, I'm having a harder time cutting through it in the changing bag, but maybe that's just because I am an inveterate fingernail eater...

You want ungraceful under fire... you should see me struggle with the Acros Quickloads in a changing bag! Now THERE's room for improvement!

 

[Fotohuis]

Best and practical combination:
The Fuji Acros 100 120 roll film, stored in the Rollei R3 roll container.

By the way: Next month (April) free 120 roll container for each order above Eur. 50,00. See: *NEWS*/*NIEUWS*
http://shop.fotohuisrovo.nl/product_info.php?products_id=48

best regards,

Robert

 

[mark]

Ahhh hell, someone pissed off the Greek. Which is better than being pissed on, unless you like that sort of thing. heck it takes all kinds to make this world go around.

I got your back Ari. I only shoot MF color and the Kodak spools piss me off especially if the roll I just shot was fuji. No one really knows how nice those self stick bands are until one gets a paper cut on their tongue. Those hurt.