Many different questions about scanning

Vincent Boman said:

Buying a Coolscan 9000, there is the possibility that it goes far too early which my budget can't handle.

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I think I may have stated earlier in this thread that I've tried camera scanning and found that although I could get a reasonable "beginner's attempt", improving from there has been difficult and nowhere near close to the resolution / definition achievable with the Coolscan 9000. Photographing B&W sheet film for web display is however within the competence of my set-up - The Panasonic S1R type set-up used by 'NortheastPhotographic' seems like a good option but that gets up into the price range of a dedicated film scanner, value depends on what else the camera is used for.

My own preference is to spend time at the capture / scan stage rather than fiddling around with post-processing.

The as yet unreleased PlusTek "Pro" 120 scanner looks like an interesting option, but I have no experience with the products.

Tom

Tom Kershaw said:

I think I may have stated earlier in this thread that I've tried camera scanning and found that although I could get a reasonable "beginner's attempt", improving from there has been difficult and nowhere near close to the resolution / definition achievable with the Coolscan 9000. Photographing B&W sheet film for web display is however within the competence of my set-up - The Panasonic S1R type set-up used by 'NortheastPhotographic' seems like a good option but that gets up into the price range of a dedicated film scanner, value depends on what else the camera is used for.

My own preference is to spend time at the capture / scan stage rather than fiddling around with post-processing.

The as yet unreleased PlusTek "Pro" 120 scanner looks like an interesting option, but I have no experience with the products.

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I absolutely appreciate the fact that there is a learning curve to DSLR scanning, that might take you a long time to get over. Actually, I really don't want to get into DSLR scanning at all, though I might have to. As far as budget goes, I wouldn't spend 3000 dollars on a DSLR scanning setup. The way my reasoning goes is that what you pay for a dedicated scanner would be worth it because you pay for the convenience, which I'm very prepared to do. If DSLR scanning would be an alternative, I'd rather have it cost me below 2000 dollars, in total.

I've not heard much good from the Plustek company, and that specific model, the 120 pro was to have already been released. No info anywhere on the web whatsoever.

Vincent Boman said:

I wouldn't spend 3000 dollars on a DSLR scanning setup. The way my reasoning goes is that what you pay for a dedicated scanner would be worth it because you pay for the convenience, which I'm very prepared to do. If DSLR scanning would be an alternative, I'd rather have it cost me below 2000 dollars, in total.

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Do you have DSLR equipment at the moment?

Tom Kershaw said:

Do you have DSLR equipment at the moment?

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No.

Vincent Boman said:

No.

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I can see your dilemma. Although I'm using an APS-C camera (Fuji X-T2) for experiments, I understand a FF model may be preferable for the camera scanning approach.

Vincent Boman said:

I've not heard much good from the Plustek company, and that specific model, the 120 pro was to have already been released. No info anywhere on the web whatsoever.

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The 120 is very expensive (2200€) but it makes MF, if you shot 35mm then get the 35mm scanner, the 8200i, and you'll have the same excellent results for 300€.

A new in the box $300 scanner delivering 3800dpi effective... it sounds good. What problems did you hear ? It has Silverfast 8 SE Plus with multi-exposure, iSRD and iSRX, and the NegaFix making amazingly good color inversions.

Some had problems with very old software drivers, but use last divers and no problem.

If you are to scan proffesionally everyday and all day long then other solutions may be better, it is not a Pro device, but a prosumer device delivering totally pro results. If you case is not that... then the 8200 is quite difficult to beat for scanning 35mm at home.

PhilBurton said:

A few months ago I rebuilt my desktop computer. I switched from an Intel P9/X79 ASUS motherboard to an AMD X570 motherboard with AMD 3900X CPU, new RAM and NMVe SSD. I'm holding off until nVidia announces their new 3000 cards before upgrading the vid card. Windows 10 did a seamless migration from the old Intel setup to the new AMD setup. No BSODs, not even one!

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Nice build you have with the Ryzen 3900x. The current build of Windows 10 is pretty solid. BSOD is a thing of the past, lol. Besides, only every other major Microsoft OS release is (initially) a disaster. Windows 7 & 10 were good, while Vista & Windows 8 were train wrecks. Fortunately, we're currently on Windows 10, but given the rolercoaster history of Windows releases, I'll be buying a few copies of Windows 10 Pro in 2024.

Ampere will be a game changer. Alas, I won't need the extra frames it should be capable of delivering. I no longer have the reflexes, eyesight or time commitment required to consistently compete against younger players in FPS titles. I am looking forward to playing the new version of Microsoft Flight Simulator after it is released in a few weeks. The graphics & video I've seen so far look amazing.

Are you sure about that Windows support date? MS releases major updates twice a year now, and those updates lose support on a fairly aggressive schedule, by historical standards.

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Microsoft would prefer most, if not all, Windows PCs to continuously have the most recent, updated version of its Windows 10 operating system installed. That would greatly simplify support and lower costs for the company. Hence, the March/September Windows 10 updates officially have a much shorter Mainstream Support period following release, akin to a rolling EOL for that particular update as you mentioned. However, what Microsoft wants -- and can effectively enforce -- doesn't necessarily mesh with market reality. Windows users have all sorts of flavors of the OS installed on their computers, perhaps even some holdouts still utilizing Windows 95 (WFW 3.11, anyone?). Those die-hards won't update/upgrade until they're ready. Make a few changes in Windows Registry (Windows 10 Pro) if you know what you're doing and voila, update on your timeframe.

Recall when Microsoft was trying to entice users to migrate to Windows 10 by offering a limited time free upgrade from Windows 7/8? That initial offer was supposed to expire back in late 2016 and users who didn't take advantage would have to pay to upgrade. The free upgrade offer was still available earlier this year. But better hurry, lol. So I doubt Microsoft would cut off a user who failed to update a legitimately licensed version of Windows 10 in a timely manner but later wants to do so (while the OS is still being supported).

Extended support for Windows 10 is scheduled to end October 14, 2025, regardless of when a given update was released unless MS has a change of heart (translation: the successor OS is not ready for prime-time).

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/search?alpha=windows 10 pro

Note that under Modern Policy, Microsoft only has to provide twelve (12) months notice that it is ending support for a covered product.

Vincent Boman said:

Now, I've started to doubt even a Nikon Coolscan 9000. I've started to look into DSLR scanning, though I had previously decided that wasn't an alternative.

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Since you are apparently having doubts about the Nikon 9000 (and now, perhaps re-evaluating DSLR "scanning" as an option), perhaps you should seriously consider an initial investment in an Epson V600 (or a pricier V850). The V600 should be a relatively small upfront financial investment, especially compared with that required for the other possibilities you are currently evaluating. Who knows, perhaps you will be pleasantly surprised with the scans. But only you can make the determination as to whether or not it (or any other scanner) is appropriate for your needs. You would also be able to scan on your schedule, in your (hopefully) less dusty environment. That's worth something to you, right? At least one member here has posted very positive comments about the Epson V600. Of course, after giving it a go you might determine the V600 is not sufficient or you're better off outsourcing (most) film scans. If that happens, you could always sell the V600. Right now, they're in short supply here in the US.

dwc13 said:

Nice build you have with the Ryzen 3900x. The current build of Windows 10 is pretty solid. BSOD is a thing of the past, lol. Besides, only every other major Microsoft OS release is (initially) a disaster. Windows 7 & 10 were good, while Vista & Windows 8 were train wrecks. Fortunately, we're currently on Windows 10, but given the rolercoaster history of Windows releases, I'll be buying a few copies of Windows 10 Pro in 2024.

Ampere will be a game changer. Alas, I won't need the extra frames it should be capable of delivering. I no longer have the reflexes, eyesight or time commitment required to consistently compete against younger players in FPS titles. I am looking forward to playing the new version of Microsoft Flight Simulator after it is released in a few weeks. The graphics & video I've seen so far look amazing.

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I am decidedly NOT a gamer, so FPS performance is irrelelvant for me. Lightroom or Photoshop GPU performance is entirely relevant.

Microsoft would prefer most, if not all, Windows PCs to continuously have the most recent, updated version of its Windows 10 operating system installed. That would greatly simplify support and lower costs for the company. Hence, the March/September Windows 10 updates officially have a much shorter Mainstream Support period following release, akin to a rolling EOL for that particular update as you mentioned. However, what Microsoft wants -- and can effectively enforce -- doesn't necessarily mesh with market reality. Windows users have all sorts of flavors of the OS installed on their computers, perhaps even some holdouts still utilizing Windows 95 (WFW 3.11, anyone?). Those die-hards won't update/upgrade until they're ready. Make a few changes in Windows Registry (Windows 10 Pro) if you know what you're doing and voila, update on your timeframe.

Recall when Microsoft was trying to entice users to migrate to Windows 10 by offering a limited time free upgrade from Windows 7/8? That initial offer was supposed to expire back in late 2016 and users who didn't take advantage would have to pay to upgrade. The free upgrade offer was still available earlier this year. But better hurry, lol. So I doubt Microsoft would cut off a user who failed to update a legitimately licensed version of Windows 10 in a timely manner but later wants to do so (while the OS is still being supported).

Extended support for Windows 10 is scheduled to end October 14, 2025, regardless of when a given update was released unless MS has a change of heart (translation: the successor OS is not ready for prime-time).

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Please stop spreading misinformation about Windows 10 support. Microsoft has been releasing major feature update twice a year now, Spring and Fall. Every time they release a new major update, they extend out the support period. So while the older feature updates may not longer be supported, it is always free and easy to update to the latest feature update. Windows 10 support end of life is a complete non-issue at this moment and for the near future.

Tom Kershaw said:

I can see your dilemma. Although I'm using an APS-C camera (Fuji X-T2) for experiments, I understand a FF model may be preferable for the camera scanning approach.

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I have an X-T3 and the latest Canon 5D. For 35mm scans APS-C is actually better for two reasons:

• You're further away from the negative, this makes accurate focusing much easier.
• You get better corner sharpness if you use FF lenses on APS-C

The above assumes that you get enough resolution though. My APS-C and FF sensors are basically equivalent (24MP and 30MP with an AA filter).