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posting history is filled with such childish hyperbole pushing an agenda of emotion-driven bigotry against digital work
You have a long history here of posting such bigoted, ignorant nonsense about digital processes.
LOL whatever
emotional driven bigotry towards digital work
when i have been scanning images for more than20 years
and selling and making digital work professionally or the same amount of time.
what i dont' like is people selling false hopes. ephemera like ad work or pr work great,
archival claims not so great, and over the years that is what my " childish hyperbole" was about just like in this thread ..
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sorry berkeley mike ...
LOOK!...a squirrel!
I wonder what type of thread I can devise that won't turn into a film vs. digital slugfest. As one is either a Nazi or butt-raw altercation is guaranteed.
all i have is expressed doubt that ink jet prints will last 200 years
John,
Nobody can give a hard and fast fact about this because inkjet/giclée has not been around long enough or tested thoroughly enough to provide a long-term confidence in archival permanence. I think 200 years might be drawing a long bow. How will the prints be stored? Or framed? With what materials? Matting and glass? I certainly would not strut around telling people my prints are going to last 200-300-400 years; we just do not know, and will not be here to say one way or another.
I do not have any inkjet prints pre-2010, only Ilfochrome Classic prints (raw and framed, dating back to 1978 and forward of that covering all 4 iterations of the Cibachrome/Ilfochrome print process), traditional wet RA-4 prints (early 1990s), then hybrid wet/LED RA-4 and latterly inkjet (the hybridised wet/LEDRA-4 process is slipping away as machinery and parts for these old dinosaurs are not scarce and costly to source).
Manufacturers' claims about permanence and/or image stability of inkjet over the long term have to be carefully weighted with a number of other critical factors, among them how the print will be stored, the environment and/or presented after the (printing) fact. We do know though that baryta-impregnated media is achieving considerably better archival qualities than media before it. In a way, inkjet is continually evolving and improving and we can certainly look forward to more evolution in the future.
I'm confused. I was denounced for doing some professional work (over 10 years solid, mostly LF until I chose to walk mostly away). Here somebody's bragging (claiming?) that he is guilty of the same sin !
seems he was denouncing you for being slackless and pink, not for making money.
PRAISE BOB!
FWIW this "archival" diversion seems irrelevant to the OT, which has to do with "making money."
Undoubtedly many of today's silver prints will still be around in 200 years. Will that be important, a good thing?
Does the value of an image boil down to the archival character of a print? Image Vs. Print.
Many of us have fine books with thousands of beautifully reproduced Westons, Penns, Avedons etc (and have even carefully seen the originals). IMO the books are and will be more profoundly important than the prints, and they'll still be in beautiful print publication in 500 years.
Thank goodness today's kids are making videos and posting them online. Millennials rock!
But my prints will not be in books so archival printing and mounting are important to me.
In contrast with Bob's minions I never pleaded for money from any government agency.
During mid 70s/late 80s (bubble years) I'd just walk down the street, visit ad agencies and graphic designers (no appointments), shake hands, show work (later give sample print), get assignments (usually within a month), shoot, get paid within 30 days . Magic!
Because I respected potential clients, I always showed as much "pure art" as samples of commercial illustration.
Things are hard today for wannabes, but were in ancient times as well. Sheep Vs goats.
Thank goodness today's kids are making videos and posting them online. Millennials rock!
How does printing differ from archival printing for you.For that there's no utility or money in archival printing.
SGBut my prints will not be in books so archival printing and mounting are important to me.
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How does printing differ from archival printing for you.
I gather the recent posters make significant income ("make money") with their favorite techniques. Congratulations!
Are those techniques as important to the OT as digital? Do you recommend them to public schools instead of digital techniques?
Just asking.
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hi gary
if you were selling your prints to a respository / archive would
they hesitate in purchasing them ( if you couldn't make more copies with your negative ) ?
HABS accepts ink prints these days, only because they ( like you ) have a film back up
besides the print is just a proof sheet for the most part...
local history ( state ) museum might not accept them because of their rigid archival standards
but little rinky-dink town+city museums would accept non archival stuff .. they are currently attempting
to find a way forward for yellow brittle acidified newspaper clippings, lamented papers and bad rc prints they accepted 30+ years ago ...
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