MACO Director speaks: here's where the film comes from

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Here in Paris, I went to the Salon de Photo today to see what was new. This is an event primarily aimed at pro photographers, but us "advanced amateurs" with the Euro 10 entrance fee are very welcome. (I also went to the Salon des Deux Roues, which is a biennial motorcycle show. Left there thinking the best-looking bike was a 1935 Moto Guzzi on display. Most other bikes looked like they were designed by a ten-year-old with a Transformers fixation. Where's a Velocette when you need one? OK, end of rant.)

At the photo show, there was very little for the analog photographer in terms of film, paper or chemicals. Tetenal was there but had nothing but digital-related products -- one of the salemen apologized and said he regretted that fact. Ilford had some film off to one side in a locked cabinet, as did Fuji. But then there was the active stand where I ran into Hartmuth Schroeder, the Director of MACO Photo Products in Hamburg, Germany. We started talking (in English, to his relief) about products, and he showed me a new film that he's on the verge of releasing -- Rollie ATP "V1", with the ATP standing for (I believe) Advanced Tech Pan. Hartmuth said that it's the same formulation as Kodak's discontinued Tech Pan, exposes at ASA 20 if you develop with Technidol or his own recommend developer Rollei TLC "document type dev" -- low contrast. If you developed it in a developer made by the German firm that makes SPUR developer, you can get up to ASA 40. He said that he’d produced – or packaged, I should say -- thousands of rolls of it in 35mm, but none in 120. Should be loaded in darkness to prevent fogging the first few frames. I also bought some Rollei Ortho 25 which he said was not the same as old Maco Ort.

I kept asking him who was coating which film, explaining that there’s lots of interest on the web on this issue. (I mentioned APUG, but he said he wasn’t familiar with it.) So Hartmuth grabbed a piece of paper and laid things out for me.

First, he said, there are only eight companies in the world that can still coat: Kodak, Fuji, Lucky, Kentmere (but only paper for now), Konica, Ilford, Foma and Agfa Gavaert. Note that he was very particular that I not just call it “Agfa” but insisted on Agfa Gavaert. Then he ran down his films:

Pan 25 – produced by Agfa Gavaert in Mortsel, Belgium

Ortho 25 – produced by ORWO/Filmotech in Wolfen, in former East Germany

Infrared – AG

R3 film – ORWO/Filmotech

Tech Pan – it’s his secret, wouldn’t tell me

Retro 100, which is new version APX100 – Agfa Germania, in Leverkeusen outside Cologne in Germany, made in 2005

Retro 400, which is new version APX400 – Agfa Germania, in Leverkeusen outside Cologne in Germany, made in 2005

Note that he also had some APX100 and APX400 for sale in bricks, the film boxes looking a bit different than the deep silver Agfa boxes I last saw. My understanding is that the latest versions of APX100/400 are the same as Retro 100/400, all made in 2005.

He is working on producing Superpan 200, which is a direct replacement for Scala except that it is sensitive to 750 nanometers vice Scala’s 660 nanometers – i.e., increased red sensitivity. This film will be produced by Agfa Gavaert.

He also makes a new C-41 B/W film called Digibase 200, produced by Agfa Gavaert. No orange mask, coated on PET/Estar base. I saw some negs from this film, and the film base was absolutely flat and absolutely clear.

As to where to get this film, he said that he had worked/was working with Freestyle and Digitaltruth. From subsequent comments, it was clear to me that he preferred dealing with Digitaltruth. He suggested DR5 if anyone needed developing services.

I told Hartmuth I’d like to post this out to my APUG friends, and he agreed. I said that it would be helpful for people to be able to contact him if they had questions, and he gave me the following e-mail address: photo@mahn.net He also said that Digitaltruth would have information available.

So there you go, as heard from Mr. Schroeder. Of course I don’t know if someone will say he wasn’t telling me the whole story in this or that regard, but to me he seemed quite sincere and certainly enthusiastic about his products.

Perhaps others will have some perspective to add. Me, I’m going to go shoot this “new Tech Pan” – maybe some of that Kodak Technidol that I’ve had sitting in those little foil pouches for 15 years is still good. Does anyone know?
 

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He left out Efke, Svema, and Slavich.
 

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There are only 2 "surprises" in the above information, at least for me.

Listing Konica as still coating film.

Stating that Kentmere only coats paper "for now".

I thought Konica went out of the film business???

Is it possible Kentmere might consider getting into film???

Oh, and what about Oriental?? (paper) not mentioned. Is that coated by Konica??

Curious minds want to know.
 

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That one company is juridically called Agfa Gevaert (spelling) N.V. They call themselves mostly Agfa; I don't see why Mr. Schroeder does it differently...
 

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And as Phototone already indicated, that list above by Mr. Schroeder is a bit weird; there are more companies around coating film.
 

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There are only 2 "surprises" in the above information, at least for me.

Listing Konica as still coating film.

Stating that Kentmere only coats paper "for now".

I thought Konica went out of the film business???

Is it possible Kentmere might consider getting into film???

Oh, and what about Oriental?? (paper) not mentioned. Is that coated by Konica??

Curious minds want to know.

I think konica does still coat film, their photo division was spun off to a company called DNP if memory serves me, and in addition I think it was posted here they're marketing films as if they're the old konica formulations made new again.
 

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Well, I spoke too soon regarding Konica, see this URL: http://www.dnp.co.jp/eng/news/2007/070417.html

April 17, 2007
"DNP Photo Marketing Launches "Centuria Film" series of Color Negative Film"

However, (in my opinion) this could be just like the firms that are continuing to market the remaining stock of Agfa films.
 

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Well, I spoke too soon regarding Konica, see this URL: http://www.dnp.co.jp/eng/news/2007/070417.html

April 17, 2007
"DNP Photo Marketing Launches "Centuria Film" series of Color Negative Film"

However, (in my opinion) this could be just like the firms that are continuing to market the remaining stock of Agfa films.

we'll see in the next few months. The last date I saw for fresh konica film was 08/07 so if DNP films don't start showing up then we'll know they haven't started coating again.
 

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Wikipedia entry for Svema says it's bankrupt but still operating. I don't know how up to date that is, and tried a search in Russian, but couldn't find anything more.
 

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About the new Rollei/Maco ATP-V1 Technical Pan film we are testing them with different low contrast developers.
Amoung them the SPUR Imagespeed in 1+14 dilution. This week end also the Rollei Low Contrast (RLC) 1+6 combination.

Here some preliminary results with Imagespeed. iso 32+ with this developer.
ATP-V1 Technical Pan is a project between Rollei/Maco and the Gigabit company.

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http://www.flickr.com/groups/bw_film-dev_combinations/discuss/72157602234971784/

Best regards,

Robert
 

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He also makes a new C-41 B/W film called Digibase 200, produced by Agfa Gavaert. No orange mask, coated on PET/Estar base. I saw some negs from this film, and the film base was absolutely flat and absolutely clear.

This sounds like Rollei Scanfilm which is "based" on AGFA's aerial photography film. The colours turn out very retro and it's(scanfilm) has had a bad review on flickr... to be honest I love the way this picture looks: (warning swearing) http://www.flickr.com/photos/57493810@N00/449207439/ If It's "digibase 200" I assume it might be a slightly more finegrain version of Scanfilm which is ISO400.
 

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Wikipedia entry for Svema says it's bankrupt but still operating. I don't know how up to date that is, and tried a search in Russian, but couldn't find anything more.

David,

Kino once found this interesting article:
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Aside from a lot of critique on a lot of details, we should not forget that Maco is one of the most innovative companies around in the film business!

I traced a lot of their products time ago, but this does not change the fact that they made materials available which we otherwise would not have the chance to use.
 

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Hello,

Regarding Konica Minolta, it is my understanding that they “totally” went out of “CONSUMER” business (not only photo business) and do “Business to Business” only now.
This means that they are “not” making any “commercial” (color) film now but this fact may not totally eliminate their capability / will to coat the film.
Indeed, I do see their subsidiary company selling Konica Minolta Medical X-ray film in their web site.
But I don’t know whether they still retain the capability to coat photographic color film now or do coat photographic B&W films for another company.

Regarding the DNP color films (I have seen this in another thread),
Here is the real fact to make this clear:

I recently bought a DNP Centurua 200 film for curiously at (Shinjuku, Tokyo).
I cannot proof who is really manufacturing these films, but on the carton it clearly printed as "MADE IN USA".
Which means...
Also the plastic container (canister) that came with the film looks just as same as with one that comes with the 35mm film made by the most famous USA manufacturer making photographic films.
And to my knowledge, no Japanese film manufacturer used the container look like the one that came with DNP film past and present.
The price of the DNP Cenruria film is reasonable than the other make (brand) sold in Japan today, approximately about 200 Yen (1.80 USD) per one 36 exposures roll at Shinjuku (Tokyo).
This is good.
Note in Japan, in the past, most private brand film sold in supermarkets was made by Konica.
Now, with my knowledge, I don’t see any private branded film sold in supermarkets that is made in Japan and it switched to “made in USA” (printed on the package).

Regards,
 

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tech pan

i wonder if the new stuff will work in print developer after shot at
a high asa to give a "kodalithy" negative. i never used tp low asa
only for high contrast ... and it was amazing.
 

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The "made in USA" print on Centuria film probably means that it is sourced from Ferrania, which has a plant in Oklahoma. Ferrania are the private label kings. Their own films are identical in ISO ratings to the Centuria ones.
 

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Hmm...shantou still coats film...ERA100. There's another company in the PRC that does, too (3 total...Lucky, Shantou, and Shanghai).

Are you basing this info on seeing the plants? Or are you basing this info on being able to purchase the film still? (Shantou, Shanghai). As we all know, film is normally available for several years after a plant shuts down.
 
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