Looking for a medium format folder with a good viewfinder/rangefinder

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P C Headland

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The Super Fujica-6 folder has a pretty good viewfinder. It's got a decent unit focusing lens and its film advance gives nice evenly spaced frames. There seem to be a good number for sale on eBay these days.

The next best I have are the Iskra and Super Ikonta III. My Iskra is in fully working condition, the film loading the simplest of any 120 film camera I have with nice even frame spacing. Many for sale these days have been converted to red-window. The Super Ikonta III frame spacing can be a bit tight unless you wind a little beyond the start line before closing the back.
 

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Having a fondness for folders, I now own or have owned many of the cameras discussed here. The Retina IIa was my "first". It's rangefinder is adequate to focus the lens, but the viewfinder is of the dim, squinty class common to most 35mm cameras of the 1950s. Generally, the Zeiss Ikotna/Super Ikonta viewfinders lack by comparison, and their front cell focus is optically inferior at closer distances. They are also over priced as a user. I've owned two Mamiya 6 folders. They tend to suffer from coating failures in the lenses, giving low contrast or clouded images. They are very heavy for what they are, but have decent viewfinders. A recently serviced one at a good price is clearly a choice, but stay away from the ones with the Olympus lenses. The Konica Pearl III has a very good Tessar copy lens and good, simple mechanics, however if you have the price, a Konica Pearl IV in very good shape is a completely different camera (except for the lens/shutter), and it is a joy to use. You are going to pay a "collectible" surcharge for the Pearl IV. The Voigtlander Super Isolette may be the model of the perfect MF folder, but having never use one, I'll leave it there. The lesser Isolette models suffer from triplet optics, which as a common user should be avoided unless your budget is small. The Isolette III was offered with the superb Tessar copy lens/shutter on the Super Isolette, but they are extremely rare and expensive for what you otherwise get. All of the foregoing use 4-element Tessar copy lenses, which are more than adequate for the format and its modern uses. However, if you want the best optics in a relatively modern MF folder, the Fuji GS645 is in a class by itself. It has well deserved issues over its original bellows, so if you shop one, either have the seller produce proof that the bellows has been replaced or deduct about $125 from the price of a good one to pay for your inevitable repair. I'll skip the 1950s era 6x9 cm folders. The modern GF670 Fuji (6x7/6x6 formats) or its Cosina/Voigtlander equal is out there, somewhat overpriced. It seems to be showing some problems as it ages, which would exclude it from my consideration. If you want the bigger format and your wallet will take the chance.....
The Fuji folders are far bigger and heavier than the equivalent 50s folders.
Stopped down to 8 the old folders produce practically indistinguishable results.
The non motorized variety doesn’t include the 16nth frame for spacing reasons. While not an absolute dealbreaker, it’s not good for film economy or time/redundancy. Some of the reason for shooting 645 goes away.
And also the issue with the bellows…

The Isolettes with Solinar lenses are superb. The folding mechanism is second to none. Very stiff, rigid and clicks into place in a uniquely satisfying manner.
Also the film loading, with the fold out holder is just butter when you are used to the Ikonta blade springs.

Unit focusing vs. front cell focus is vastly blown out of proportion. Theoretically one is superior to the other.
But only at the extremes at the focus scale and only full open and mainly at the edges of the frame.

If you shoot at infinity or close up you will almost always tend to stop down and/or place the subject close to center.
What’s more where FCF fall the most short, is in distances closer than a meter.
Most folders can’t even focus that close due to lens - film plane distance and parallax from finder.

For closeups just use diopters and a measuring tape.
It’s works very well.

Mechanically there is very good reason why FCF was so popular with folder manufacturers.
It makes the whole lens/shutter assembly much more rigid, precise and light. You also avoid having to retract the lens to infinity every time you fold.
That’s OK on a small Retina where the spans of material is much smaller and therefor stronger, but with a folder it’s very easy to bend something in a moments inexperience/stupidity.
 
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henryvk

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No Super Isolettes under 600-700€, unfort... I'd probably get a Fuji GS645 Pro for the same price instead.
 

Alex Varas

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I wear glasses and I have tried some folders now, in these next models I can see the square frame with glasses “on”

Postwar Nettar
Mess Ikonta 524/16
Super Ikonta 531/16 - 534/16
Super Isolette
Isolette III
Iskra
Welta Weltur (all 3 models with silver top cover)

Being winners Weltur and Iskra. I never had Mamiya 6 folder or Fuji folders.
Also I never had problems with older albada finders.
 
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lrlebron

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I wear glasses and I have tried some folders now, in these next models I can see the square frame with glasses “on”

Postwar Nettar
Mess Ikonta 524/16
Super Ikonta 531/16 - 534/16
Super Isolette
Isolette III
Iskra
Welta Weltur (all 3 models with silver top cover)

Being winners Weltur and Iskra. I never had Mamiya 6 folder or Fuji folders.
Also I never had problems with older albada finders.

thanks
 
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