Lith Printing Buzz

[36cm2]

I agree with Thomas B. The ability to consistently produce sharp photographs when desired is evidence of technical proficiency, but it is not essential to, nor does it by itself produce, a fine photograph. If a master musician were to play each note of a legato composition in a staccato style without regard to mood or transition, I assure you that listeners would tire quickly. There are many scenarios where only blurriness appropriately represents the photographer's vision.

"Blurry, lacking in detail prints do photography no credit." Really? So you don't like any of the photos on this page?

http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/08/24/45-beautiful-motion-blur-photos/

 

[whlogan]

Well, I didn't mean to set so many to odds. the cloud shot and with a Holga is truly exquisite! My shot that is counter show is a Bromoil and is supposed to be like that. no I have not tried it. Busy enough trying to make good prints..... with some success..... only stating my feelings, I guess and perhaps not worth stating...I apologize to any I may have offended.... no offense intended...
Logan

 

[laparn]

Many intelligent and intellectual writers here. Really! Most with an obvious need of defending one´s integrity. Ironically I believe the author knew the outcome when posting this thread. Kind of tabloid level of the scope by the way, but I truly enjoy the aftermath.

Now, I won´t point my finger at anyone in this debate and neither try to negotiate. I would just take the opportunity to make a reflection to this discussion from another point of view in general. Not from a conventional nor a lith printing point of view.

What is good taste? What is good food? What is good music? What is heavy, what is light, what is cheap and what is not?

These are questions everybody do have personal relations and answers to but is it worth expressing? Or debating? I don´t know.
Personally i find no benefits in persuading my ideas to someone else. "Each to their own" as a former writer stated and my apprehension couldn´t be expressed less complicated than so. "Try walking in my shoes" as a very talented british lad once wrote.
Well, that is of course also a standpoint but more of a defensive nature than actively claiming what is right or wrong. Or what I think or not.

There is no use debating this. Honestly! If there is a reference defining a certain level, why doesn´t every musician create complex music for classical symphony orchestras for instance? But, is complexity the answer? Is perfectionism the answer? Is sharpness? Is lith? Is sepia?
No! Nothing is the answer. My own valuations create the answer. My own. Mine. And...what is complexity btw? What is sharp? What is heavy? What is expensive?

After all, cows are holy in India. Who is to claim approx. one billion of people are wrong not eating beef meat? Dogs are pets. In western culture. Have you been in China...? Etc etc.
Without stumbling into a political discussion, I insist there is no global "definitionist" or world police setting up rules for this or that.

Specifically, we are down to a bottom line discussion here. Again. To define art...and that ladies and germs will not be defined. Here or ever. In US or in China. In a republic or in Korea. At the moon or in Sweden. It will be an open topic forever. As well as lith or not to lith.

Finally, I believe this thread will be commented quiet a while. Ironically, I am personally amused to see so many emotions in spin. Lith appears to be a weak spot for many people. Or a holy cow... to use another expression. I am a lith addict myself but I really enjoy the debate. =D

Have a nice day!
/Per

 

[AshenLight]

Well, I didn't mean to set so many to odds. the cloud shot and with a Holga is truly exquisite! My shot that is counter show is a Bromoil and is supposed to be like that. no I have not tried it. Busy enough trying to make good prints..... with some success..... only stating my feelings, I guess and perhaps not worth stating...I apologize to any I may have offended.... no offense intended...
Logan

Hi Logan,

I doubt anyone was offended by your original post... hopefully everyone who responded understood that you were expressing your opinion. I posted a link to the cloud picture because it was a great example of one of the effects achievable with lith. Some of the really subtle examples may not show what the process is capable of and in fact, it is almost infinitely variable given the paper and chemistry choices you have available to you. As my personal printing preferences, I like and use Pt/Pd and carbon but always like to look at other folks work for inspiration.

Regards,

Ash

 

[Thomas Bertilsson]

It is an interesting debate, and I viewed it as the original poster wanted to see if there was more to be had than his current comprehension of the lith printing world.

Stating something as opinion is definitely OK, but when you state something as de facto truth while it truly applies as opinion is an entirely different ball game all together. Then I bring out cannons and debate vigorously.

And all of this IS worth discussing, because it might open up venues of opportunity to those that don't know the possibilities.
I know I've been pig headed about a great many things, but through discussion I have learned to see outside the box a little bit and learn something new.

- Thomas

Many intelligent and intellectual writers here. Really! Most with an obvious need of defending one´s integrity. Ironically I believe the author knew the outcome when posting this thread. Kind of tabloid level of the scope by the way, but I truly enjoy the aftermath.

Now, I won´t point my finger at anyone in this debate and neither try to negotiate. I would just take the opportunity to make a reflection to this discussion from another point of view in general. Not from a conventional nor a lith printing point of view.

What is good taste? What is good food? What is good music? What is heavy, what is light, what is cheap and what is not?

These are questions everybody do have personal relations and answers to but is it worth expressing? Or debating? I don´t know.
Personally i find no benefits in persuading my ideas to someone else. "Each to their own" as a former writer stated and my apprehension couldn´t be expressed less complicated than so. "Try walking in my shoes" as a very talented british lad once wrote.
Well, that is of course also a standpoint but more of a defensive nature than actively claiming what is right or wrong. Or what I think or not.

There is no use debating this. Honestly! If there is a reference defining a certain level, why doesn´t every musician create complex music for classical symphony orchestras for instance? But, is complexity the answer? Is perfectionism the answer? Is sharpness? Is lith? Is sepia?
No! Nothing is the answer. My own valuations create the answer. My own. Mine. And...what is complexity btw? What is sharp? What is heavy? What is expensive?

After all, cows are holy in India. Who is to claim approx. one billion of people are wrong not eating beef meat? Dogs are pets. In western culture. Have you been in China...? Etc etc.
Without stumbling into a political discussion, I insist there is no global "definitionist" or world police setting up rules for this or that.

Specifically, we are down to a bottom line discussion here. Again. To define art...and that ladies and germs will not be defined. Here or ever. In US or in China. In a republic or in Korea. At the moon or in Sweden. It will be an open topic forever. As well as lith or not to lith.

Finally, I believe this thread will be commented quiet a while. Ironically, I am personally amused to see so many emotions in spin. Lith appears to be a weak spot for many people. Or a holy cow... to use another expression. I am a lith addict myself but I really enjoy the debate. =D

Have a nice day!
/Per