You are right Toffle sorry about that. I was having a really bad/bitter art day and this was the first thread I clicked on. The digital/museum connection got me going for some reason.
Apologies to Bob and everyone.
Bob Carnie said - The majority of the time when I go to DPUG and click on New Posts the message is no new posts at this time. This is frustrating and at this time useless.
The majority of the time when I go to DPUG and click on New Posts the message is no new posts at this time. This is frustrating and at this time useless.
Sorry for opening this debate up Sean , you know my feelings about this site, it feels like home, there are more darkroom users here than on any other site, I feel comfortable and am really open to help, but I have to say that hybrid is the way of the future for all darkroom users, we need to get over this fact, I shoot and process as much film as most people on this site so I am comfortable with analoque, but printmaking is being driven to a hybrid approach, all the new papers and existing papers are being modified to accept laser exposure, making negs to lay on paper is historically correct and we are getting caught up with the simple fact that an computer assists us in doing our work these days.
The simple fact is this- currently most of the best printers in the world that are hanging art in museums are using digital devices to assist them in their work, most of their end output is sanctioned by APUG , and historically the materials we use.
I would like to see an area here for discussing all ways of making a fine print. otherwise I am going to go home and have a hissy fit.
I hope to post more students work as it comes in.
Just taking a glance at this thread, I'd say at the beginning it was about identifying papers that lith well, and that is irrespective of the provenance of the neg or the plans for Bob's workshop.
On the other hand, if it is going to be about making digital negs for lith, it's better discussed on DPUG. That's exactly what DPUG is for--hybrid work--and having this discussion on APUG not only takes away from APUG's mission of providing a digital-free zone for the many members who come here seeking precisely that (even if they also do digital and hybrid work), but it prevents the growth of DPUG, which we would like to encourage.
Good moderating David, keeping things on track and in perspective. Well done.
I agree with David and we did try hybrid on APUG once, and behind the scenes it added a lot of work, stress and frustration more than people know. Do not underestimate how invasive digital topics can be on a forum like this. "We want a hybrid forum", ok "now we want subforums", "we want to be able to talk hybrid outside of the subforums, the subforums are just kicking us to the curb", "why can't we submit hybrid images in the galleries?", "we need hybrid gallery topics" "it's time for 100% digital gallery submissions what's the big deal?" "it's ridiculous that we can discuss hybrid on APUG but not straight digital, we need digital forums on APUG now", and on and on. It's never ending. We drew a line in the sand a while back to avoid this, APUG does not need to be all things to all people. This is a niche site with a narrow scope, and if that were a problem our numbers would be in long steady decline, actually they are always increasing.
It would be interesting to see if I could find a large corporate willing to fund a "bridge" between the forums. What I would like is:
- 1 unified user database
- unified new posts & searches between sites
- ability to move posts between sites
- unified user profiles between sites
- user control panel settings to enable members to "activate" the dpug or apug side depending on their preferences.
This would basically keep both sites seperate if that is what you wanted, if you wanted more you could activate the bridge in your preferences and both sites would then appear (to you) as one site.
I'm not 100% sure what a bridge like this would cost to code up. Possibly in the vicinity of 15-20k. What would be in it for the corporate sponsor? The bridge would be well know and advertised as "Corporate Sponsor's Bridge", and some other exposure we could provide.
Open to suggestions of what company might be good to contact over such a venture...
Wow, that last print is amazing, Bob! I love it.
We were getting great Blacks and highlight tone with these negs and paper.
That was Marvin's self portrait.
Don't color me surprised...What I liked about that print was the extreme contrast. Huge visual impact.
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