LFF back up!

[Roger Cole]

Do you seriously think people pay money just for access to the galleries? I pay money to support the site. I don't think I've even looked in the galleries here since they're a different section. I just read the forums.


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[Nodda Duma]

Actually, the rule about not commenting on ads is a regulation--it *reduces* capitalistic freedom (which has as it core premise the free flow of market information).

I wonder why LFF goes down so much?

--Darin

Not to be picky, but capitalism is the free flow of market goods, not information. The free flow of market information is "freedom of speech" and/or advertising. Slander is, of course, freedom of speech as well.

 

[Dinesh]

Do you seriously think people pay money just for access to the galleries? I pay money to support the site.

Agreed.

Take a look at the Ferrania Kickstarter thread at how many members are willing to donate to that campaign and not to supporting this site?

It constantly amazes me that people are so willing to let Sean do all of the heavy lifting.

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

Do you seriously think people pay money just for access to the galleries? I pay money to support the site. I don't think I've even looked in the galleries here since they're a different section. I just read the forums.

Right... I'm a subscriber too but don't advertise in the classifieds nor do I view the galleries. I subscribe solely to support this website.

 

[StoneNYC]

Do you seriously think people pay money just for access to the galleries? I pay money to support the site. I don't think I've even looked in the galleries here since they're a different section. I just read the forums.


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Yea, I certainly decided to start subscribing after about 6 months of being here due to being grateful to all the advice and knowledge I had learned. BUT my interest was also that I really wanted to see the images, AND my motivation for re-upping the next year was more to do with wanting to post images and and to view images than because I wanted to support the site. I still like to support the site, but those bonuses are the clincher

I especially like the fact that the galleries are not open to the public, it makes me feel safer about posting images that are not accessible through Google.

 

[removed account4]

Agreed.

Take a look at the Ferrania Kickstarter thread at how many members are willing to donate to that campaign and not to supporting this site?

It constantly amazes me that people are so willing to let Sean do all of the heavy lifting.

no kidding ... oh well ... the more you push the more resistance/pushback you get ...

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

Agreed.

Take a look at the Ferrania Kickstarter thread at how many members are willing to donate to that campaign and not to supporting this site?

It constantly amazes me that people are so willing to let Sean do all of the heavy lifting.

How do you know "all" of those who claimed to have donated to the Ferrania cause actually did so?

 

[David A. Goldfarb]

How do you know "all" of those who claimed to have donated to the Ferrania cause actually did so?

When you make a pledge to a Kickstarter campaign, you authorize your credit card for the amount of the pledge. If the campaign makes its goal, the charge is put through. It's possible that a few people go to the trouble of reversing the charge, of course, but I doubt it's that common. It's not as if pledgers get some kind of recognition or benefit from pledging without making good.

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

When you make a pledge to a Kickstarter campaign, you authorize your credit card for the amount of the pledge. If the campaign makes its goal, the charge is put through. It's possible that a few people go to the trouble of reversing the charge, of course, but I doubt it's that common. It's not as if pledgers get some kind of recognition or benefit from pledging without making good.

So they have some sort of published list of pledgers?

 

[David A. Goldfarb]

So they have some sort of published list of pledgers?

That would be up to the organizers of the project. It's not structured like, say, a public radio pledge drive, where people make a promise and can back out easily. You're actually authorizing the charge at the time of the pledge, and you don't get any recognition before the campaign is completed. Some projects acknowledge the contributors, like listing all the backers in the credits of a movie project or on the website for some product, but obviously, they aren't going to acknowledge people who reversed the charge on their credit cards. If the campaign makes the goal, the charges are processed. If it doesn't, the authorizations are allowed to expire.

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

That would be up to the organizers of the project. It's not structured like, say, a public radio pledge drive, where people make a promise and can back out easily. You're actually authorizing the charge at the time of the pledge, and you don't get any recognition before the campaign is completed. Some projects acknowledge the contributors, like listing all the backers in the credits of a movie project or on the website for some product, but obviously, they aren't going to acknowledge people who reversed the charge on their credit cards. If the campaign makes the goal, the charges are processed. If it doesn't, the authorizations are allowed to expire.

So, there's no current way to know if "all" of those who've claimed they pledged funds to Ferrania are telling the truth?

 

[David A. Goldfarb]

So, there's no current way to know if "all" of those who've claimed they pledged funds to Ferrania are telling the truth?

Only the organizers can verify that, but what do you think is the likelihood that some significant number of people who charge their credit cards to a kickstarter campaign go to the trouble to reverse the charge later on?

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

Only the organizers can verify that, but what do you think is the likelihood that some significant number of people who charge their credit cards to a kickstarter campaign go to the trouble to reverse the charge later on?

I'm not saying they'll reverse their CC charges. I'm saying "some" who claim to have donated may not have. Why would they donate to Ferrania when they don't bother to donate to APUG?

 

[David A. Goldfarb]

I'm not saying they'll reverse their CC charges. I'm saying "some" who claim to have donated may not have. Why would they donate to Ferrania when they don't bother to donate to APUG?

I would make no assumptions, myself, about what people say here regarding their Kickstarter contributions.

 

[Arklatexian]

Where I just moved to (Page County Iowa) claims to be where 4H started! And it was first 3H. No clue what the Hs stand for, but I think I used to know. Most of my friends in grade school were in 4H - we had to schedule Girl Scouts around it. Central NYS - dairy country.

I guess every state has a county or parish that claims to have started 4H. Wherever it started it has been beneficial. Some of the kids that I went to high school with won enough money showing their show cattle, sheep, pigs, chickens to pay part or all of their tuition in college. My 75 cents an hour after school job was not near as lucrative though you could buy a new Kodak Baby Brownie (127 film) for 75 cents at most any drugstore. Some drugstores even sold chemicals and Velox paper......Regards

 

[Oren Grad]

So they have some sort of published list of pledgers?

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[Old-N-Feeble]

^^^ Good to know. Thanks, Oren.

 

[analoguey]

LFF looks down?
Anyone else seeing it?

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

Yep... it's down.

 

[mono]

Yes, down again!
Too often down!!

 

[BrianShaw]

Confoucious says, "Appreciate it when you have it; don't cry or complain when it is not available."

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

I don't think the mild-mannered and logical Confucius said that but he might have said... "DAMMIT!!"

 

[BrianShaw]

Perhaps my Chinese to English translation abiltieis are a bit rusty. At least that is what I thought he said. But now he seems to be asking for a cup of tea and a scone, so...

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

Okay, so maybe Confucius would've said, "DAMMIT!! Oh well... just gimme my scone and green tea". Either way, he'd have been pissed.

A few yen per year to improve LFPI site reliability is worth it... even if only 2 percent of the members will donate.

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

Up for awhile and down again...