Leibovitz in the news again...

[Sirius Glass]

I am more focused on the financial decisions that she made without an independent adviser. How does one sign a contract for $24 million without an attorney.

Steve

 

[mark]

Steve, I agree. That was damn stupid.

 

[keithwms]

Steve, I agree. That was damn stupid.

Too stupid, which is why some suspect there's more to it e.g. tax evasion.

I suppose the underlying legal question is: if a person can sign a contract without appropriate legal rep then is the contract valid? Do we blame a defendant for the ineptitude of the defendant's attorney? So... the lending agency may turn out to be the stupid one...

The whole thing reminds me a bit of The Merchant of Venice... someone willingly enters into a preposterous contract and then appeals that contract because it is preposterous... :rolleyes:

 

[mark]

I doubt there is a law against signing a contract without legal council.

 

[Sirius Glass]

As far as I know, stupidity has not been outlaw any where on earth.

Steve

 

[Marco B]

Pizzetti says Leibovitz hired him to shoot photographs of scouting locations for an ad campaign for LavAzza, the Italian coffee company, in April 2008. He said he photographed the Trevi Fountain in Rome and Plaza San Marco in Venice and images of other sites for her and sent her the images digitally.

The thing that actually strikes me most about this particular case as mentioned in Keiths first post, is: why would anyone need a "scout photographer" for photographing world famous places like the Trevi Fountain in Rome and Plaza San Marco in Venice :confused:

I haven't done a search for it, but I guess Google will turn up a zillion more usable images, including gigapixel sized full 360 degrees panoramas, that would give a thousand times more info about the place than the few shots of a hired scout... Now if she had asked for photos of some derelict suburb or industrial region... but the Trevi Fountain and San Marco???

Or am I missing something here? The only reason I can see for hiring a foreign photographer to photograph these places for her, is if she intended to use these images in the first place, in which case I assume her contract included that usage...

 

[Colin Corneau]

It seems she had no problems hiring anything except a financial advisor.

 

[Sirius Glass]

It seems she had no problems hiring anything except a financial advisor.

ROTFLMAO!!!

 

[AutumnJazz]

Let's clear a few things up.

First, her sexual orientation is an issue ONLY because she would look upon a nude girl in a more similar way to a straight male photographer -- and please don't suggest for a moment that THAT scenario wouldn't cause an uproar.
Any suggestion of discrimination based on orientation is offensive and unacceptable to me...my apologies for not articulating as much in the first place.

As to comparisons with child pornography...well, my moral compass tells me that sexualizing a child for financial purposes is wrong. That's purely my take on the situation.

I've seen it. Cyrus is 16. Cyrus has already been sexualized by Disney.

I fail to see the sexualization in the photo. I think maybe you're the one with the messed up, perverted mind as you seem to try to find child porn in everything. Do you look at an image of children on the beach and shriek "HOW DISGUSTING!" as your pants grow shorter?

 

[removed account4]

I've seen it. Cyrus is 16. Cyrus has already been sexualized by Disney.

I fail to see the sexualization in the photo. I think maybe you're the one with the messed up, perverted mind as you seem to try to find child porn in everything. Do you look at an image of children on the beach and shriek "HOW DISGUSTING!" as your pants grow shorter?

sorry autumnjazz
it seems that the network which is supposed to be run by people who
have a religious compass are worshiping the $$$ instead.


the same controversy happened when malcom mclaren decided to have
anabella lwin's band ( bow wow wow ) photographed as a
remake of manet's le déjeuner sur l'herbe ... back in the early 1980s.
anabella was 16 at the time just like MC ... but the difference is
that scotland yard got involved because of lwin's mother

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bow_Wow_Wow
(see "controversy" )

the difference here is that billy doesn't seem to care how his
underage ( read under 18 ) daughter is portrayed ...
then, or even more recently ... did you happen to see her dance the other night ?
it wasn't too classy ...

 

[Colin Corneau]

Thanks for the lesson in class, AutumnJazz.

 

[keithwms]

postscript....

This in from CNN...

Art Capital Group has withdrawn its lawsuit against celebrity photographer Annie Leibovitz and extended the due date for repayment of her $24 million loan, the two sides announced Friday.

It is part of an agreement reached between Leibovitz and Art Capital Group, which restructured her debts, according to a joint statement from the two sides.

Under the agreement, Art Capital also agreed to extend the maturity date for the loan it provided to Leibovitz, which was originally due on Tuesday. The statement did not say when the loan is now due.

In exchange, Art Capital will be the "exclusive agent in the sale of her real property and copyrights," the statement said.

"Ms. Leibovitz will therefore retain control of those assets within the context of the loan agreement which shall prevail until satisfied," it said.

 

[mark]

So she agreed to the selling of her copy rights?

 

[AutumnJazz]

sorry autumnjazz
it seems that the network which is supposed to be run by people who
have a religious compass are worshiping the $$$ instead.


the same controversy happened when malcom mclaren decided to have
anabella lwin's band ( bow wow wow ) photographed as a
remake of manet's le déjeuner sur l'herbe ... back in the early 1980s.
anabella was 16 at the time just like MC ... but the difference is
that scotland yard got involved because of lwin's mother

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bow_Wow_Wow
(see "controversy" )

the difference here is that billy doesn't seem to care how his
underage ( read under 18 ) daughter is portrayed ...
then, or even more recently ... did you happen to see her dance the other night ?
it wasn't too classy ...

Nudity, even implied nudity, does not mean something is pornographic. Those unable to separate pornography from art (such as Colin) are the ones we should be looking at.

I don't really care about Cyrus, but I do know about the MTV Music Awards where she more or less danced around a stripper pole. That would be something I think of as "in poor taste".

 

[David A. Goldfarb]

Art Capital drops lawsuit.

Same press release that Keith cites above in full on PDN (via DavidB on facebook)--

http://www.pdnonline.com/pdn/conten...news/e3id4e011604f3ec5829edbcaaddc080f82?pn=1

 

[Sirius Glass]

So she agreed to the selling of her copy rights?

Yup!

Can you believe it?

Steve

 

[mark]

Press release says she "bought back". I'ld say some money changed hands. But, she appears to still be under the contract to pay the loan or lose things in the future.

If it were me, I'ld sell every "thing" I owned and hold on the copyrights.

 

[removed account4]

i wonder what will happen if she is an obstacle
when acg tries to sell her stuff ( again ).

it seems that the law suit against getty
( who hired AL ) is still on .. the terms of her
loan said that any/all work AL got had to go through
acg ... did the terms of her loan change so she can
be hired without acg "representing" her ?

seems like she is a modern-day indentured servant ...

 

[Sirius Glass]

She owns her copyrights again.

Last year, Leibovitz put up as collateral three Manhattan townhouses, an upstate New York property and the copyright to every picture she has ever taken — or will take — to secure the loan.
Leibovitz needed the money, according to Art Capital, to deal with a "dire financial condition" stemming from her mortgage obligations, tax liens and unpaid bills.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090911...5bl9oZWFkbGluZV9saXN0BHNsawNhbm5pZWxlaWJvdmk-

Steve

 

[removed account4]

Nudity, even implied nudity, does not mean something is pornographic. Those unable to separate pornography from art (such as Colin) are the ones we should be looking at.

I don't really care about Cyrus, but I do know about the MTV Music Awards where she more or less danced around a stripper pole. That would be something I think of as "in poor taste".

she is under 18 ...
while you don't seem to have a problem with it
a lot of people believe that it was inappropriate for a kid to be photographed
like that, and do her pole dance as well ... under 18 is still a kid.

annabella lwin had a mother who was "parenting" / daughter's welfare
not a parent who was asleep at the switch or thinking about the trust fund ...

 

[Colin Corneau]

Those unable to separate pornography from art (such as Colin) are the ones we should be looking at.

Completely wrong, and proof you just can't/won't get the point. Perhaps that's why you resort to a pseudonym here instead of having the courage of your convictions sufficiently to use your actual name.

This is an insult against me personally, and the tenor and vindictiveness of your posts are an insult against us collectively. I actually don't think we disagree that much - ie. an underage girl using a stripper pole is offensive - so I'm not sure why you resort to personal insults on the topic.

Aesthetics and art are by definition very subjective. Everyone looking at a scene will have their own interpretation -- I have no problem with someone who disagrees with me on such matters...I suggest that in the interests of keeping the tone of this board as high as it is, you do the same in future.

Any other comments you have to/against me, please PM them to me - I'd be happy to have a civilized discussion with you, just as I would anyone. I try to maintain that I'd be happy to sit down for a pint/cup of coffee/what have you with anyone here...I include you in that category and hope to in the future.

C

 

[Marco B]

Any other comments you have to/against me, please PM them to me - I'd be happy to have a civilized discussion with you, just as I would anyone. I try to maintain that I'd be happy to sit down for a pint/cup of coffee/what have you with anyone here...I include you in that category and hope to in the future.

C

Well, that's definitely one of the most civilized suggested endings of a hot internet debate I have ever seen...

Thumbs up for Colin , and I hope you get a similar civilized response and can have that cup of coffee without flying saucers

Marco

 

[Colin Corneau]

Thanks. To paraphrase an old hippie, "it's all about the pictures, man!"

 

[Sirius Glass]

NThose unable to separate pornography from art (such as Colin) are the ones we should be looking at.

Out of line.

Unacceptable.

Disagree, but do not do it disagreeably.

Steve

 

[JBrunner]

This isn't congress guys. Ad hominem is out. Keep it OT and above the belt.