Not for me, I'm fine.
ouch.
Not all would agree and that is all well and fine, but the point I was making is like I told you in *private* that the photos that appeared in the email were exponentially better than the 14 pages of the standard gallery I looked through. I'm sure if I got a real photo editor, art director or art buyer on here to confirm this, they would.
OOps. Should have read to the end. This was supposed to be a good natured response for John. Didn't realize the thread had digressed to a pissing contest.
John, John, John, you troll. If anyone on earth knows big doesn't equal expensive, it's you! But that wasn't what you asked. Does $$$$ equal art? Certainly not. I've made creative photos putting pinholes on the front of old 3X4 Polaroid CRT camera bodies from the trash can sans original lens. I think creative people make creative photos with anything they've got in their grubby hands, plus boredom and imagination can also help. The same folks also fill dumpsters with rubbish.
Now, if I could just get rid of that crummy V11 Deardorff and get a Leica M-P with a full set of lenses, then I could finally make some art.
in another thread it was said
that the larger and more cumbersome the equipment
the slower the process and more creative, thoughtful the final results.
does it follow that folks that use smaller formats take less creative photographs?
or does creativity have to do with things other than $$ invested in the equipment, and "process" ?
Well, tell that to the guy who spent 8 years waiting to take some photo in the middle of the night and then "forgot his car" smack in the middle of the frame... He was shooting 5X7... lots of slowly made carefully thought out awful stuff out there...
in another thread it was said
that the larger and more cumbersome the equipment
the slower the process and more creative, thoughtful the final results.
does it follow that folks that use smaller formats take less creative photographs?
or does creativity have to do with things other than $$ invested in the equipment, and "process" ?
Actually, you posted the disparaging remarks about the quality of the Gallery photos publicly, which is why I posted my response publicly. I don't receive the Hasselblad newsletters, so I'm in no position to make my own value judgment. I've also dealt with many "real" photo editors, art directors, and art buyers, and I'm sure they'd all be impressed with some of the work people post in the APUG Gallery.
...I don't think i have been setting out to be creative, or to create art...
It's somewhat subjective to a point but you really need to win don't you....so you win.
It is complicated.
For Larger Format and here (there was a url link here which no longer exists) is creative. Not in conceptual, muddy and crappy way which is often called as creative. But in classic way. Same way as Yousuf Karsh was creative.
It is specific creativity, I think, which is related to LF. You have to take your time.
On 135 format HCB and GW are creators for me. They created something dramatic from the Moment. It is impossible with LF or even MF.
Creativity in photography depends on how you compose, how you read the light, how you catch the moment, presence of drama and so on. In general it doesn't have to be expensive grear. Karsh used same camera for decades. But if looking in details, to me it is gear related. On street photography where my interest is in analog photography I could see how gear is related to what photograph delivers. Vivian Maier and TLR, HCB and GW with RF, John Free, David Wallace Marvin with SLR.
Why Jane Bown portraits are so special. She is genius, first. But maybe because she was also packing light. She was master of quick portrait and small or no setup.
As of me, I can't be creative with LF. I see the light, by the time I'm ready the light is gone. I'm trying to use standards movements and getting blacks. I'm trying to take portrait, but sitter is exhausted before I squeeze. I feel more creative with Leica RF or Smena 8M made in millions for millions.
Very nicely done.
asking questions about creative process in the philosophy area is trolling ?
sorry, I didn't realize that ... if it gets too contentious I'll ask the moderators to close it down ...
i just thought it was a strange thing to say the larger the camera, the more creative the image ...
I shoot several different formats of film. I find that the creativity is not a function of camera size, lenses or features, rather it is a function of the available subjects and my creative feelings at that time.
On the other hand; for many people the door to creativity is discovering a process of working that forces you to re-think the whole process. That could work either way. If you're a neanderthal, WeeGee resurrected from the dead, and the only thing you ever knew was a Speed Graphic 4X5, you might pick up a D810 and enjoy the most creative time of your life.
What we're seeing though is the opposite. Someone goes from a million digi pix with no thought at all and gets introduced to large format, and all of a sudden a whole bunch of factors that CAN lead to creativity are necessary. There's a valid argument for that.
Wisner, of all people, wrote a fine paper on the interaction of right brain left brain and his premise was that forcing your right brain to solve a thousand problems to mechanically make a picture happen, had as an added effect that it also woke up your left brain, and creativity happens. It made great sense to me. Part of what we've lost in the big revolution is . . . thinking. Period. So I would sympathize with whoever made the aberrant statement that John originally called out. Maybe it isn't perfect, but I'm a forgiving sort and I know where he was going.
I found shooting medium format improved 35mm. Then I found shooting large format improved medium format and 35mm. Now I should start up very large format or ultra large format.
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