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in another thread it was said
that the larger and more cumbersome the equipment
the slower the process and more creative, thoughtful the final results.

does it follow that folks that use smaller formats take less creative photographs?
or does creativity have to do with things other than $$ invested in the equipment, and "process" ?
 

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The ability to take large numbers of photographs quickly detracts from the creative process (elsewhere, a digital photographer was talking about taking 2,000 pictures in one portrait session!) although it obviously doesn't actually prevent the photographer being creative - training is more effective in that task.
 

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Making the equipment bigger works for some people, but for every Stephen Shore there are a thousand flirting with the attentions of a chiropractor for no good reason.
 

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I cannot speak for others. For me the larger the equipment generally the more careful I am when I compose a photograph. However once set up for hand held photography when the subject is changing or moving I will frame and shoot quickly: 35mm SLR, Hasselblad, and 4"x5". One of my 4"x5" cameras is a Speed Graphic which is a press camera which was designed for quickly changing situations.
 

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To me it is nonsense.
If you don't have an eye for photography, it is not the bigger format, more $$$ camera that will make your work more creative, only you decide the time you invest for a shot.
The choice of camera and format is a personal one, I use 8x10 for my collodion work but I also like medium format film. I can't get the same output with one or the other, I choose the format for what I wish to obtain, I mainly shoot portraits and nudes, so speed is an important factor.

I don't shoot landscapes but I don't see why a 35mm format should automatically be less appreciable than 11x14 sheet film.

A bad image remains a bad image, even if shot large format or printed with the platinum process, IMHO.
 

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In my experience: in terms of slowing down, often but not necessarily. In terms of good/creative images, sometimes but not necessarily often.
 

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in another thread it was said
that "the larger and more cumbersome the equipment
the slower the process and more creative, thoughtful the final results".

John:

I've added quote marks to a part of your post.

The missing words in what you refer to are "In my case ...."

If those words are added at the beginning of the quote, then the statement can be totally valid.

If the words in quotes are meant to apply generally, and not preceded with "In my case ..." or more arguably at least "In many cases..", then I cannot agree with those words.

In any event, the second part of your question is not a logical extension of the first part.

A more logical counter-position would be that there are many ways of enhancing creativity, and that investment in improved equipment might only be one of those ways, applicable to only a few.
 
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Sounds like someone justifying a purchase.
Insert any expensive item that someone can buy and you can make up a similar statement. Wine, cars, shoes, purse, whatever.

Sent with typotalk
 

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The more involved a person is in the process the more rewarding it is.

That is all: more involvement yields more personal rewards. It doesn't imply the photos are more creative, artistic, or have more universal appeal. It isn't necessary for the equipment to be larger, heavier, or more complex.

What improved my photos and made them more rewarding was spending from midnight until 6am making and developing prints, only to discover maybe only one or two were worth it.
 

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The format size and digital/film has nothing to do with the creative process.
 
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I usually shoot either 35mm or 4x5. The decision for me is solely based on whether I am going to need a tripod or not. If I have to go through the trouble of schlepping a tripod I might as well get a bigger neg for my troubles.
 

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The more expensive the piece of film is, the more careful I am with what I do with it.
 

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The more thought I give the outcome, the better the photograph. Thought may include throwing a camera off a cliff, or waiting for a sunrise with a sheet over my head.
 

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The format size and digital/film has nothing to do with the creative process.

Well I find that the larger and clearer the view finder, the more likely that I will check and recheck the composition and that nothing unwanted is in the frame.
 

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The more expensive the piece of film is, the more careful I am with what I do with it.

That too has something to do with it. Also if I am using a film that is no longer available I will be careful to avoid wasting film.
 
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in another thread it was said
that the larger and more cumbersome the equipment
the slower the process and more creative, thoughtful the final results.

does it follow that folks that use smaller formats take less creative photographs?
or does creativity have to do with things other than $$ invested in the equipment, and "process" ?


Classic training in photography does not hold your first statement to be true. Some of the very best and most remarkable photographers in Australia started with 35mm and moved slowly up to medium format, and nothing else.

It is, and always will be, the photographer who determines how fast or slow or cumbersome or thoughtful he works. There are small format photographers who will work very quickly and conversely, others too who will be very slow to conceptualise their scene. A large format photographer has no more right to claim some sort of romantic superiority on equipment alone, but unfortunately breast-beating carnival barkers exist everywhere doing just that.

Creativity flows from the soul and its transfer to the medium (canvas, digital card, film, pottery or whatever else) is proselytized in the case of photography, by looking with, rather than through a camera, irrespective of its format, size or whatnot.
 

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I think the problem with the question is from trying to lump thoughtfulness and creativity into one concept. Obviously if you are using a large heavy camera that shoots 5 dollar sheets of film and the image is upside down under a dark cloth you are going to give it a lot of thought. You give thought to if you want to go to the trouble of setting up in the first place. You give thought to all the technical aspects. If you are using a hand held roll film camera you can just go snappity snap, snap snap snap and avoid all thought all together. 25 cents a shot vs 5 dollars a shot makes a difference.

The fact that the one takes lots of thinking does not make it more creative. It almost certainly makes it less creative. With the little camera you can be very spontaneously creative with points of view and experimental with any technical aspect. So in that way you would choose the little camera to be creative and the big camera to be thoughtful.

The problem I nearly always see with LF photography is that it becomes stiff. There is so much concern with technical issues including focus and composition and getting your tripod where you need it that it becomes an exercise in problem solving. Then after you have nearly solved all the problems you need to step back and give it thought to decide do you really want to shoot one of your 10 sheets of 5 dollar a sheet film. 35mm photographers can literally walk along and shoot without looking through the camera at all if they need to. Shoot a bunch of frames and think about it later.
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Furthermore what you can do and what I have done in the past is use a small roll film camera to work on an idea or place and then go back with a large format camera to make a final product. I have even shot 4x5 for test shots of still life images I want to end with 8x10.
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Give me a Super Graphic and I'll let you know :smile:

I've learned that in all things - regardless of cost, size, or speed - there are some people who will not be thoughtful. Others are deliberate and thoughtful in nearly everything they do.


Speaking of thoughts... why did you make this a regular thread? I was expecting you to make it one of your polls.
 

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There are photographs that are simply not possible with larger formats. The weight of the camera, the subject matter, the need for discretion all affect what camera would be right for the job. I tend to see the difference between formats as a static vs. dynamic dichotomy. What photographs from the greats, however you define them, would be better on a bigger format? What I've noticed, as I've gotten into film, after starting with digital, is that I take fewer risks with film. For one, film, chemicals and paper all cost money, and the process after taking the photograph requires a considerable amount of time. I think trying to be stingy robs your creativity. It leaves less room for happy accidents. I've been down to the last shots on a roll and walked by a lot of subject matter looking for the shots to finish the roll. Later I was disappointed when I developed the film and remembered those scenes, and realized that none of them were on the roll. Why miss out on something because of your dedication to a way of doing things? Doesn't that shortsightedness undermine creativity? What I know about my own development as a photographer is how much being able to be liberal in the use of the camera contributed to my abilities. If nothing else, as a starting point, being able to not think about the minutia that a photographer can choose to think about is a good way to ease into the craft. Doing something the hard way has nothing to do with being a photographer. Making photographs does. Besides, the cello is not necessarily a more creative instrument than the violin. Each is its own genre and lends themselves well to their domains.
 
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I use 35mm, 6x6 and 4x5, the most productive in terms of strong photographs that have great print qualities are from 6x6 ( Hasselblad ).

Conversely, some of the very worst and most tear jerkingly boring photos I have ever seen are on this site, especially the landscapes.

The best photographs I see being made on film are on this site.
 

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Technique and creativity are 2 very different things. For me, 6x6 or 6x9 forces me work slowly, thoughtfully and carefully. That produces beautiful images, that is.... sharp, good contrast and detail, good composition, and most of the time.... REALLY BORING!
35mm however helps me to get out of the box and experiment. To me, that is what creativity is all about.
My most recent step: Polaroid. I just started this, applying this technique to a kind of photography I've never done before. Exciting! Might well turn out to be my biggest creative breakthrough in decades!
For me the key is: to be creative, you need to let go of old habits and techniques, think out of the box and explore things you've never done before.
 

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does it follow that folks that use smaller formats take less creative photographs?

No, not IMO.

or does creativity have to do with things other than $$ invested in the equipment, and "process" ?

Yes, other things, IMO.

The creativity resides in the person not the tool or the tool the money buys.
 

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For every exception there's another exception. MF made me slow down, think more. After 18 mo or so, it struck me that there's no reason I can't put all that care into a 35mm shot. One shooter on another forum went full circle from 35 to LF. Now back to just digital and 35. His 35 shots are exceptional. I hope I can keep the thoughtfulness with me when using smaller or even dig.
 
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