Coporate boards of directors get all the breathing room they earn by means of their actions/decisions.
Kodak to put film prices up in 2012.
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No, it doesn't. I didn't say exclusively... I still have T-Max Readyloads, and use Tri-X in 4x5. And, I still buy Dektol, HC-110, Kodak Fix...
Then shouldn't we wait until we see his actions/decisions before tossing dirt on the grave?
Even Eastman Kodak care a bit, they were willing to attempt to cut Eastman Double-X into 4x5 sheets for me, something everyone said was ridicules, but I asked and they said sure (for a price of course) but they agreed to work with the sheet film cutters to cut it for me and the rest who bought in.
And that order was NOT big, it was big too us but it was almost nothing to them, wouldn't even have been enough gross for a small budget indie film, let alone the net gain which was nil, so they do care, they just need to HEAR from us. Seems a lot of guys complain they don't care or don't listen, but most people don't make themselves heard... They aren't mind readers....
And that order was NOT big, it was big too us but it was almost nothing to them, wouldn't even have been enough gross for a small budget indie film, let alone the net gain which was nil, so they do care, they just need to HEAR from us. Seems a lot of guys complain they don't care or don't listen, but most people don't make themselves heard... They aren't mind readers....
Not his actions/decisions, the Alaris BOD action/decision to hire someone with no film background for that position. I tossed no dirt any corporate grave.
Sal- I took, from your "good luck with that" comment that you're less than optimistic. I'm skeptical, too, but hope they find a way to right the ship.
If so, why don't they participate? They could clear up a lot of these discussions rather quickly. Ilford seems to see value in interacting with their customers.
Ugliness is in the eye of the beholder. Those Alaris folks don't need to read these threads to experience trepidation. Ken's probably not the only one who "...wasn't going to say anything. But...wasn't not thinking anything." I simply wrote, in plain, honest English, about the irony of Alaris failing to avoid repetition of EKCO's error, i.e. its hiring of Perez, the electronics executive.
My sincere best wishes to UK Kodak pensioners, who own Alaris. I hope they don't end up like their US counterparts, but this announcement isn't very positive, in my opinion.
Dan, it's BECAUSE they don't have to read minds that they read this and other forums daily.
A modern day online forum where their customers truly speak their minds? Those product and marketing insights are priceless. Both figuratively and literally. It beats the hell out of those silly old Product Registration Cards from an earlier era that asked the boilerplate questions, "How old are you?" and "Why did you buy this product?" and "Would you recommend this product to a friend?"
I daresay that if Sean were to implement a new rule that forbade any negative opinions whatsoever regarding Eastman Kodak and/or Kodak Alaris, that readership of these forums by those entities would dry up virtually overnight. There would no longer be anything of value for them to parse. They would be in the dreaded position of hearing only what they wanted to hear. It would become an echo chamber increasingly divorced from reality.
The value that comes from the free flow of ideas only works when that happens. You might think it's ugly, but I'd bet dollars-to-donuts that truth-be-told, those silent readers wouldn't have it any other way.
Ken
Yes, this announcement definitely reduces any optimism I had about Alaris. It's so utterly ironic that the board of directors, in a company born of EKCO, which entered bankruptcy after handing control to a digital domain expert with no film background, would choose to repeat that error. There are certainly savants in the world, and Gerbershagen might be one of them, but why roll those dice when there are undoubtedly numerous heritage-EKCO people within Alaris who live and breathe film? You know, the ones Dan always refers to? Just to throw out a name, how about Audrey Jonckheer?
There are so many factors in the world stacking the deck against all film manufacturers that it doesn't bode well for Alaris when they turn over the company to someone who lived and breathed digital. Thus my "good luck with that" comment. I don't want them to fail, but think they have lost a significant percentage of success probability with this selection.
Dan gets very upset reading these things. To him I say the following. Reality sucks, but it's real. Your peace of mind would probably be best served by not reading the threads.
Ilford is the only larger photo related company on here on a regular basis, not Nikon, not Hasselblad and not Fuji. Colleen has been on here a few times and there was ugliness towards Kodak even then, within those threads when her little green light of participation was lit.
It's never going to change is it....and young, really talented people like some of the photographers I mentor like 27 year old Adam, an ad shooter who graduated from RIT and 23 year old still-building-her-portfolio Ellie who is a Alabama grad and who both prefer film?....they are going to keep seeing this time wasting garbage and are going to keep saying, no thanks to APUG.
The bullcrap, old guard attitude here drives away soooo many super talented, film loving young people that it is just sickening....truly.
It's never going to change is it....and young, really talented people like some of the photographers I mentor like 27 year old Adam, an ad shooter who graduated from RIT and 23 year old still-building-her-portfolio Ellie who is a Alabama grad and who both prefer film?....they are going to keep seeing this time wasting garbage and are going to keep saying, no thanks to APUG.
The bullcrap, old guard attitude here drives away soooo many super talented, film loving young people that it is just sickening....truly.
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Dan we are often on target as far as perspective, but unless you have inside info, I don't think anyone from Kodak (save that one girl that came on who was part of the ... Publicist?... Area of kodak... And any feedback from her doesn't help much as she's not in touch with who's in charge...
Simon is...
When the aforementioned new "leader" they just hired... Makes an account hear and actually posts and responds... Then they will show they are in fact reading.
I've seen this a million times with companies who are run by those who don't know anything about how the business actually functions (the world involved in the business of the company that isn't like the normal world) and they run it into the ground.
Don't forget Mirko of ADOX... Who also seem to be doing quite well, adding new products in fact.
I find it extremely unfortunate that Eastman Kodak discontinued the Kodak 2D camera. I hope they'll bring it back! I'd pay three to four times the original price!
Every time I feel like I can handle this place, want to contribute and inspire, I readily see why I am just not cut out for it, at all...
Even my wife can tell when I am on here, I don't shoot, print as much. I really should listen to her and use the site for classifieds and as a read-only. She is a super happy person and not a member of any forums.
Even my wife can tell when I am on here, I don't shoot, print as much. I really should listen to her and use the site for classifieds and as a read-only. She is a super happy person and not a member of any forums.
MattKing
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I don't think it matters whether a CEO has experience in the photographic industry. What matters is whether the CEO is able to make use of the experience of the rest of those in the company.
I'd be more concerned if they hired a bunch of non-photographic people to deal with R & D, product development, manufacturing, marketing, etc.
Remember as well that one of the businesses purchased by Kodak Alaris was the apparently innovative office document scanning equipment business. It certainly won't hurt the film and paper business if that business is successful.
I'd be more concerned if they hired a bunch of non-photographic people to deal with R & D, product development, manufacturing, marketing, etc.
Remember as well that one of the businesses purchased by Kodak Alaris was the apparently innovative office document scanning equipment business. It certainly won't hurt the film and paper business if that business is successful.
C'mon Dan. You're made of tougher stuff than that...
Besides, we here on APUG have been told over and over that we don't amount to much more than a hill of beans. That our aggregate film purchases are orders of magnitude below any hope of ever moving anyone's needle. That our self-aggrandized sense of inflated importance in the film world is laughable to those truly in the know. That our ignorance of anything and everything related to the realities of film manufacturing, marketing and usage is breathtaking.
Given that, how can we and our opinions possibly pose a threat to anyone at EK/KA? Where does this idea come from that seems to imply that we are nothing more than a bunch of ignorant old-fart fools that nobody listens to, except in the case of our opinions voiced about Kodak, where even a single discouraging word from any one of us is going to be enough to singlehandedly bring down that entire company? For a second time...
Ken
Hi Ken
In my local high street you can buy
rebadged 24exp C41Fuji 200 for 1.00 GBP
in one shop
36 exp Fuji for 4.xx GBP and
36 exp Kodak 5.yy
in the shop three doors away!
forgotten the xx and yy
We still teach our kids
one two buckle my shoe...
In 1979 shooting candits close I with a wide at a wedding, smoke coming out of the lever wind of my Leica, the groom's dad ask's what film? He said he worked for Kodak he said 'there were only yellow boxes in chemists shops 20 years ago ...'. I was using Kchrome 25 about eight 36exp cassettes a wedding.
I asked about his pension...
The expression is 'bungee management...'
Noel
What I find interesting on this forum is the hate or bashing that is going on towards Kodak. Ilford increases it's prices and the result is a bit of moaning the same with Fuji but if Kodak dares a price increase we have immense amount of bitching and hate. As a note in a lot of markets Kodak is the lowest priced of the big three and not by a small margin. In Austria for instance Ilford is in average 1 to 2 Euros more expensive than similar Kodak products Fuji is even more expensive. So how evil is Kodak I'd say less evil in their price politcs than their competitor who don't get even half the flack Kodak receives.
I also think that Alaris and EK should employ a Simon Galley type.
A happy Kodak, Ilford and Fuji user.
I also think that Alaris and EK should employ a Simon Galley type.
A happy Kodak, Ilford and Fuji user.
Anyone have any idea how much of KA is film business and how much is office supplies? Is film the majority business or is it smaller?
Are there real people out there or am I talking to a robot?
*robit voice* "destroy, Destroy! All things film are INFERIOR all things digital are SUPREEEEM destroy Destroy DESTROY!!!!"
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