Kodak to put film prices up in 2012.

[Truzi]

All your base are belong to us.

 

[Curt]

*robit voice* "destroy, Destroy! All things film are INFERIOR all things digital are SUPREEEEM destroy Destroy DESTROY!!!!"

Laughing out loud!!!
Thats what I thought! I wonder what percentage of the population has no sense of humor?

 

[Truzi]

It's odd, when I read that I can't help but here it in my head with that old tinny pseudo-synthesized voice from mid-60s sci fi shows.

 

[StoneNYC]

It's odd, when I read that I can't help but here it in my head with that old tinny pseudo-synthesized voice from mid-60s sci fi shows.

Well I'm paraphrasing Doctor Who and the Daleks...

There's also lost in space, but that was a good robot voice "danger will Robinson, danger!"

 

[Truzi]

Well I'm paraphrasing Doctor Who and the Daleks...

There's also lost in space, but that was a good robot voice "danger will Robinson, danger!"

LOL, the Daleks voice is exactly what I "heard," but from the old movies. Never really saw the series.
I'm a big fan of Lost In Space, though. Grew up on the reruns.

 

[StoneNYC]

LOL, the Daleks voice is exactly what I "heard," but from the old movies. Never really saw the series.
I'm a big fan of Lost In Space, though. Grew up on the reruns.

The old voice and the new voice are essentially the same. They try to keep it consistent.

Ok back on topic before the mods come ... "destroy Destroy! All APUG Users must conform to the given discussion, all off topic conversation shall be destroyed.. Destroy DESTROY!!!!"

 

[Curt]

I forget now, did Kodak actually put film prices up in 2012?
2012 seems so 20th Century now!

 

[Roger Cole]

The old voice and the new voice are essentially the same. They try to keep it consistent.

Ok back on topic before the mods come ... "destroy Destroy! All APUG Users must conform to the given discussion, all off topic conversation shall be destroyed.. Destroy DESTROY!!!!"

Dahleks don't say "Destroy!" they say, "Exterminate!"

 

[Xmas]

What I find interesting on this forum is the hate or bashing that is going on towards Kodak. Ilford increases it's prices and the result is a bit of moaning the same with Fuji but if Kodak dares a price increase we have immense amount of bitching and hate. As a note in a lot of markets Kodak is the lowest priced of the big three and not by a small margin. In Austria for instance Ilford is in average 1 to 2 Euros more expensive than similar Kodak products Fuji is even more expensive. So how evil is Kodak I'd say less evil in their price politcs than their competitor who don't get even half the flack Kodak receives.

I also think that Alaris and EK should employ a Simon Galley type.

A happy Kodak, Ilford and Fuji user.

Well Im happy for you in Austria.
But my point was a marketing observation our happy snappers are buying rebadged Fuji 200 for two reasons it is in a Poundland (real cheap) chain shop and cheap.
The Ilford, Kodak and Fuji in the pharmacy few doors away will not be selling like it might otherwise sell. So the pharmacy chain may not restock with the same volume.
My circumstances are different I only use mono and buy 5222 (cine) cause it is about 50% of Ilford bulk and 25% of Kodak's bulk.
The distribution margins seem large and Fuji may need to dump excess production before exiting the market.
Agfa did the same as they went broke.
Im still shooting Agfa speed trap film I got about 2000 feet of it in '07.
Id suggest Kodak's management have fallen of the potty to sell into a saturated market you need to cut overheads from production to end user.
Eastman would not have recruited a bungee manager.
Fuji look like they are saying Sayonara.
5222 is an excellent product even if it were at a premium price, my Kodak all in one office printer does excellent gilee prints I bought it cause it was the cheapest scanner...

 

[MDR]

The most sold film products are single use cameras I believe Kodak was very strong in that market. So from a purely marketing perspective Kodak beats Fuji with single use cameras. KA also sells super cheap films in some supermarket chains in Germany and Austria.
After looking at online offerings from UK retailers I have to say that the price for film in the UK is utterly and completely nuts.

Xmas how many rolls of 5222 do you shoot per year? More than a 1000 ft more than 2000ft or less than either.

 

[StoneNYC]

Dahleks don't say "Destroy!" they say, "Exterminate!"

Gahhhh!!!! You're right!!!! #stonefail

But in some of the new episodes they've been saying other things, I think maybe destroy was an alternate? I know the metal men (forget name) say "delete" lol

 

[MDR]

Doctor Who - The History of Exterminate!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp9GH3FLNlA

 

[Darkroom317]

"This forum is NOT for rumors and speculation."

http://largeformatphotography.com.au/2014/02/04/massive-price-increase-kodak-sheet-film/

I am thinking that it is just for Australia.

 

[MDR]

Thank you for the link. I think Steve'ss post is very interesting and relevant to the discussion of film prices. It's often not the film mfg who increases the prices but the retailer. The mfg get's the flack though.

 

[Xmas]

Xmas how many rolls of 5222 do you shoot per year? More than a 1000 ft more than 2000ft or less than either.

I don't shoot 5222 all the time depends on cloud cover in total I use

minimum in summer is 400 foot a month.
max 1200 foot a month

in winter can drop to 200 foot a month

but Ive still got a stash of

Agfa APX400S (it was cheap)
HP5 cine
Ru cine

and some expired bulk Formapan

Occasionally I buy expired 135 loads.

So eg I use PET APX400S on dull days cause it flares and light pipes HP5 or 5222 bright sun...
with multi coated and single coated lenses respectively

Lots of people use cine mono some use cine colour.

Sorry no easy records of film type used per day/year
Just fridges without food and cupboards of filing.

 

[StoneNYC]

http://largeformatphotography.com.au/2014/02/04/massive-price-increase-kodak-sheet-film/

I am thinking that it is just for Australia.

I hope this doesn't happen in the US and I hope the Australians can find a good retailer that doesn't charge as much.

 

[StoneNYC]

I don't shoot 5222 all the time depends on cloud cover in total I use

minimum in summer is 400 foot a month.
max 1200 foot a month

in winter can drop to 200 foot a month

but Ive still got a stash of

Agfa APX400S (it was cheap)
HP5 cine
Ru cine

and some expired bulk Formapan

Occasionally I buy expired 135 loads.

So eg I use PET APX400S on dull days cause it flares and light pipes HP5 or 5222 bright sun...
with multi coated and single coated lenses respectively

Lots of people use cine mono some use cine colour.

Sorry no easy records of film type used per day/year
Just fridges without food and cupboards of filing.

WOW that's a LOT of film... Wow... What do you do with it all? Lol

 

[MDR]

X-mas thank you for the info I admit I would have thought of a much lower number, although 36 to 215 Rolls a month is/was quite common in certain areas of photography.

Stone the price increase was made by a retailer not by EK or KA.

 

[Sal Santamaura]

Does anyone have any information about the rumors that Kodak sheet film is about to double?

"This forum is NOT for rumors and speculation."

http://largeformatphotography.com.au/2014/02/04/massive-price-increase-kodak-sheet-film/

I am thinking that it is just for Australia.

My post quoted the APUG rule for this category. Just because an Australian blog engaged in rumors and speculation about the price of Kodak film, whether for Australia only, Vanbar only, or whatever, doesn't mean it isn't rumor and speculation.

 

[Darkroom317]

My post quoted the APUG rule for this category. Just because an Australian blog engaged in rumors and speculation about the price of Kodak film, whether for Australia only, Vanbar only, or whatever, doesn't mean it isn't rumor and speculation.

I wasn't saying that it wasn't a rumor. I was giving my source. Thank you for letting me know about the rule for this section. I was unaware.

 

[Jaf-Photo]

I don't think it matters whether a CEO has experience in the photographic industry. What matters is whether the CEO is able to make use of the experience of the rest of those in the company.

I'd be more concerned if they hired a bunch of non-photographic people to deal with R & D, product development, manufacturing, marketing, etc.

Remember as well that one of the businesses purchased by Kodak Alaris was the apparently innovative office document scanning equipment business. It certainly won't hurt the film and paper business if that business is successful.

It' true. Kodak never ha a problem with the photographic know-how. What they needed, and their successors still need, is a vey good business strategy to keep their excellent products afloat in the market.

Photography truly has mass appeal as a hobby, and I'm sure that many advanced digital shooters would also embrace the fun of shooting and processing film, with a bit of encouragement.

 

[Roger Cole]

Gahhhh!!!! You're right!!!! #stonefail

But in some of the new episodes they've been saying other things, I think maybe destroy was an alternate? I know the metal men (forget name) say "delete" lol

Cybermen.

Dahleks say other things sometimes but "Exterminate!" is the threat/mantra.


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[Ken Nadvornick]

I don't think it matters whether a CEO has experience in the photographic industry. What matters is whether the CEO is able to make use of the experience of the rest of those in the company.

I dunno'...

A few years back I recall an interview with Perez wherein he recounted an introductory tour he was given of Kodak's magnificent film coating lines. Later, after the tour concluded, he related to his Wall Street analyst buddies his unrestrained elation at realizing he was the only person in that facility to have the technical foresight to see that those same dedicated film coating lines could also be used to print product packaging materials.

I can only imagine the waves of horror that silently rippled through the minds of those engineers present that day as they began to realize that this was their new leader. And what that meant. The most devastating reality of existing at only the first level of competency is that by definition you are often the only person in the room who doesn't realize it.

So does it matter that the new leader of a company knows absolutely nothing about the company he leads? Or worse, believes he knows more than those who may have dedicated their entire lives to that company?

I dunno'...

Ken

 

[Roger Cole]

I dunno'...

A few years back I recall an interview with Perez wherein he recounted an introductory tour he was given of Kodak's magnificent film coating lines. Later, after the tour concluded, he related to his Wall Street analyst buddies his unrestrained elation at realizing he was the only person in that facility to have the technical foresight to see that those same dedicated film coating lines could also be used to print product packaging materials.

I can only imagine the waves of horror that silently rippled through the minds of those engineers present that day as they began to realize that this was their new leader. And what that meant. The most devastating reality of existing at only the first level of competency is that by definition you are often the only person in the room who doesn't realize it.

So does it matter that the new leader of a company knows absolutely nothing about the company he leads? Or worse, believes he knows more than those who may have dedicated their entire lives to that company?

I dunno'...

Ken

The incompetent or unknowledgeable (and no matter what he may be good at, Perez clearly wasn't knowledgeable about film) almost always overestimate their knowledge and competence while the experts make the opposite mistake. Simply, those who don't know don't know enough to realize what they don't know, and those who do know a lot realize how much more there is that they don't know:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

 

[Truzi]

The incompetent or unknowledgeable (and no matter what he may be good at, Perez clearly wasn't knowledgeable about film) almost always overestimate their knowledge and competence while the experts make the opposite mistake. Simply, those who don't know don't know enough to realize what they don't know, and those who do know a lot realize how much more there is that they don't know:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

Very Socratic (via Plato, of course).