Kodak Reintroduces Ektachrome.

[AgX]

I dont see there being a huge use for 35mm cine use with Ektachrome 100, but Kodak are making great effort to make super8 available to students, and this seems logical that its a good stepping stone for students to learn on, but they are also targeting the professional market to some degree also with the new camera.

But markets are different. I do not know a film academy here that still teaches analogue filming.

 

[Nzoomed]

Zilions of Super8 Cameras were made expecting an ISO 40 TUNGSTEN balanced Reversal film. thus KMA was the natural product for super 8. I doubt if many still shooters would want to bother with using K40T with the requirement to use an 85A filter outside.

the 40T speed came out as Regular 8 film was often Kodachrome 25 Daylight, and Kodachome Type A (40) with a 85A filter also is shot at 25 daylight. if one were wanting to shoot indoors and out they used the type a film and slipped the filter on and off. In almost all Super 8 Cameras the 85A filter is built in and has a control to take it out of the image path. often attaching a movie light to the camera, swung the filter out.

Many of these cameras could not read a Daylight 64 coded cartridge and expose it correctly.

OK, that makes sense then. I do remember how Kodak was issuing instructions regarding the filter for Ektachrome 100 due to this.

 

[Nzoomed]

But markets are different. I do not know a film academy here that still teaches analogue filming.

Well I sure have no idea, but it appears that kodak are working with many academys and giving students free film to learn on.

Its also in Hollywood's best interest to train camera operators to use film, if they want to keep film going (which is apparently obvious) then they will obviously need the next generation of cameraman to shoot film.

 

[Ai Print]

But markets are different. I do not know a film academy here that still teaches analogue filming.

Do you want to know?

Because anytime I want to know something, I fully exhaust all resources before I say I don't know of a single something, globally that is. And globally is what counts, not just in your own backyard and what you can see from your own front porch.

FYI, the program I teach at is about to teach it, I am on the advisory board and have a say in that...

 

[AgX]

That was the positive thing about Kodak's cine department over the last years: the were active marketing their products, including aiming at students (at least for their homemarket), in contrast to the still film department.

But in Germany film and photography academies are different from those in the US.
Here also darkrooms are closed. Analog is a non-issue.

 

[Poisson Du Jour]

Hardcore Kodachrome users never used Eektachrome or Fuji.

That is just not true. The evidence of a seismic shift is the reason for Fujichrome's success over the decades. What do you think PKR and Ekta users were using? Polaroids!? While Kodachrome and Ektachrome were still around, users had a choice, and over time that choice was overwhelmingly in favour of a film that had more punch than the stalwart emulsions and reproduced better by traditional or electronic means. And which were archivally more stable (Ektachrome is not in this category!). Thus Kodak lost a lot of market share, so much so that it was unrecoverable.

But Kodak also made other fundamental errors along the way that lead to it falling way out of fashion. That's another topic altogether.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

I wonder if any of the engineers, emulsion makers, etc, who made Ektachrome, are at Kodak still?

 

[mshchem]

That was the positive thing about Kodak's cine department over the last years: the were active marketing their products, including aiming at students (at least for their homemarket), in contrast to the still film department.

But in Germany film and photography academies are different from those in the US.
Here also darkrooms are closed. Analog is a non-issue.

Don't tell Jobo there are no darkrooms. We are going to need their equipment to process all this wonderful film.Jobo makes a nice tank for cine 8mm film too.

 

[Chan Tran]

I am excited about Ektachrome because I don't intend to do any darkroom work any more.

 

[Photo Engineer]

I wonder if any of the engineers, emulsion makers, etc, who made Ektachrome, are at Kodak still?

Probably not.

 

[mynewcolour]

Kodunk dropped Kodachrome because of lack of sales, there aren't more people interested in film now, the numbers are static. People moved on to other formats and some new people took up film, but there is not a rise in film interest that I can see.Evidence of this is the steady drop in prices of used cameras, people can't give them away.

Last summer Kodak Alaris stated that between 2013-15 global sales of their film have risen 5%

In the UK prices of cameras have not dropped. Talking to the more traditional camera shops, they say interest has risen for Leica, high end compacts and Mamiya gear.

Certain 1990s compact sell used for more now (with inflation calculated) than they did new. Somebody wants to shoot film!

 

[lovely_sausages]

Huge news. It is, and always has been, an exciting time to be shooting film, especially since it's death has been proclaimed more times than I can count. There are still e6 labs here in Montreal. Home development of c41 and e6 also seems to be a right of passage for film photogs these days, so even without access to a lab, my guess is people will be ordering tetenol kits and doing it themselves.

Kodak better price this stuff competitively. They're in a unique position here, with the potential to wrest a good share of the market from Fuji's hands, or at the very least force Fuji to stop with their outrageous price hikes and format culls. Well played, Kodak-Alaris, well played.

And if anyone from Kodak-Alaris happens to be reading this, please bring back TMAX 3200 next? Ta.

 

[mynewcolour]

Let's have an Ektar 640.

 

[iandvaag]

And which were archivally more stable (Ektachrome is not in this category!)

Is much known about the archival stability of E6 films (in absolute terms, and also relative to one another?) I seem to recall reading a Fuji publication that the most recent iteration of Provia (RDP III) uses couplers designed for paper which increased its stability. Some ancient Fuji documents also suggest that Velvia 100 (my favourite film!) is roughly 3 times more stable than Velvia 50.

 

[pdeeh]

And globally is what counts, not just in your own backyard and what you can see from your own front porch.

A very good point but one that itself rather undermines the rest of what you say.
What obtains in the US does not obtain globally (not recognising this is a common mistake)
Thus AgX' statement stands, and he did not make a "global" statement.

 

[ChrisPlatt]

It's a good sign and we're all excited, but how many of us will buy more than a roll or two, or none at all?

Chris

 

[Nzoomed]

[QUOTE="mynewcolour, post: 1871250, member: 80285"

Certain 1990s compact sell used for more now (with inflation calculated) than they did new. Somebody wants to shoot film![/QUOTE]

Look at the price Olympus XA series cameras sell for now!

They go for crazy money, especially the XA4.

And the later successor, the Mju series seem to be selling well too.

 

[railwayman3]

It's a good sign and we're all excited, but how many of us will buy more than a roll or two, or none at all?

Chris

Personally, I don't think the new Ektachrome will make me buy more film overall.....I enjoy my photography as now, within the constraints of time and budget. I use mostly Fuji and Agfa Precisa (Fuji in disguise) plus remaining stocks of "old" Ektachrome (and, of course, color and B&W neg), and look forward to Ferraniacolor, but will probably try the new Ektachrome as-and-when I need fresh supplies of E6. So I won't be emptying the shelves.

 

[Ai Print]

A very good point but one that itself rather undermines the rest of what you say.
What obtains in the US does not obtain globally (not recognising this is a common mistake)
Thus AgX' statement stands, and he did not make a "global" statement.

Interesting I guess, because German film makers often go abroad and end up in the U.S. to make a film and U.S. film makers go to Germany to make a film....that is what we were talking about there, film makers, not film.

It's a good sign and we're all excited, but how many of us will buy more than a roll or two, or none at all?

For me it all depends on if I have a project I want to use it on or not. For example, I had a trip planned to Cuba and had earmarked 75 rolls of Provia 400X for that. As soon as I knew the trip was off ( already too tourist crazed by the time the date rolled around ) I sold the film because I knew I would not shoot it day to day as I really only shoot black and white for that.

Hearing about E100 makes me want to plan a project to shoot it with. Once those wheels are in motion, I will buy the film. Unlike Provia 400X, E100 will be ready and waiting for if and when I have a project.

I do expect to try a few rolls out and see where it is at before committing to use it for any project.

 

[Cholentpot]

It's a good sign and we're all excited, but how many of us will buy more than a roll or two, or none at all?

Chris

Err, I'd buy one or maybe two. I mean unless I strike it rich or something looks like 3 rolls would be around the same price as 100 feet of Ultrafine B&W. 100 feet of film or 3 rolls? No brainier for me...

 

[flavio81]

It's a good sign and we're all excited, but how many of us will buy more than a roll or two, or none at all?

Chris

I'd probably buy one a month consistently until i die.
If Ferraniachrome 100 is released (and priced lower, and acceptably good), i'd buy perhaps two a month.

 

[Craig]

I wonder if any of the engineers, emulsion makers, etc, who made Ektachrome, are at Kodak still?

There must be, how else could they make it? I can't see Kodak making an announcement like this and then saying " Sorry, it's all cancelled as we don't know how to make it any more"

 

[RattyMouse]

There must be, how else could they make it? I can't see Kodak making an announcement like this and then saying " Sorry, it's all cancelled as we don't know how to make it any more"

The people who develop products are not the same people who manufacturer them. My company could fire me and the other product development chemists and continue on manufacturing all the products, plus resurrecting many old ones, just fine without us.

 

[bvy]

There must be, how else could they make it?

Same way we're making Kentucky Fried Chicken with the Colonel dead and buried.

 

[Craig]

The people who develop products are not the same people who manufacturer them.

I agree, however Kodak did say it was being reformulated, which to me says it's more than dusting off the Ektachrome recipe and dumping the chemicals in the coating machine.