Kodak Price Increases 2022

NB23 · Jan 6, 2022

Sal Santamaura said:
"Tired" is not the same as "driven away." Irrespective of whether you care, and perhaps in response to your happiness about it, I and others will continue to read and rebut/refute any and all nonsense posted.

What exactly is Nonsense?

My fair stance on kodak’s pricing, which is to send them the right message by buying less, which in turn tells them they are far too expensive, is hardly nonsense by any comon measure.

Yes, before going bankrupt, a company will look into working its pricing. But in Kodak’s case it seems we are beating a dead bloated Whale.

The nonsense is to continue overpaying for an overpriced product, with a smile, because it is supposedly going to keep the Dead Bloated Whale alive. It all makes no sense to me.
And even more absurd is the way some of youze do not get it. It’s a total aberration.

Sirius Glass · Jan 6, 2022

NB23 said:
What exactly is Nonsense?

My fair stance on kodak’s pricing, which is to send them the right message by buying less, which in turn tells them they are far too expensive, is hardly nonsense by any comon measure.

Yes, before going bankrupt, a company will look into working its pricing. But in Kodak’s case it seems we are beating a dead bloated Whale.

The nonsense is to continue overpaying for an overpriced product, with a smile, because it is supposedly going to keep the Dead Bloated Whale alive. It all makes no sense to me.

My fair stance on kodak’s pricing, which is to send them the right message by buying less, which in turn tells them they are far too expensive, is hardly nonsense by any comon measure. No your stance is not fair and your not buying from Kodak will not even be noticed.

Yes, before going bankrupt, a company will look into working its pricing. But in Kodak’s case it seems we are beating a dead bloated Whale. Based on what? What you ate for breakfast? You have shown nothing to substantiate your premise, just spouting off, much like a whale.

The nonsense is to continue overpaying for an overpriced product, with a smile, because it is supposedly going to keep the Dead Bloated Whale alive. It all makes no sense to me. Kodak's, Rollei's, Ilford's and Fuji's prices are right in line with what they should be and what the market can afford.

Have you considered a more suitable hobby or vocation such as knitting or crocheting?

NB23 · Jan 6, 2022

Sirius Glass said:
My fair stance on kodak’s pricing, which is to send them the right message by buying less, which in turn tells them they are far too expensive, is hardly nonsense by any comon measure. No your stance is not fair and your not buying from Kodak will not even be noticed.

Yes, before going bankrupt, a company will look into working its pricing. But in Kodak’s case it seems we are beating a dead bloated Whale. Based on what? What you ate for breakfast? You have shown nothing to substantiate your premise, just spouting off, much like a whale.

The nonsense is to continue overpaying for an overpriced product, with a smile, because it is supposedly going to keep the Dead Bloated Whale alive. It all makes no sense to me. Kodak's, Rollei's, Ilford's and Fuji's prices are right in line with what they should be and what the market can afford.

Have you considered a more suitable hobby or vocation such as knitting or crocheting?

The funny thing with you is that you really don’t come across as someone who has ever held a camera, let alone spent time in a darkroom.

Each of your posts are totally empty with regards to photographic contribution. There has absolutely never, ever, been an informative posts coming out of you. Never.

Pieter12 · Jan 6, 2022

NB23 said:
What exactly is Nonsense?

My fair stance on kodak’s pricing, which is to send them the right message by buying less, which in turn tells them they are far too expensive, is hardly nonsense by any comon measure.

Yes, before going bankrupt, a company will look into working its pricing. But in Kodak’s case it seems we are beating a dead bloated Whale.

The nonsense is to continue overpaying for an overpriced product, with a smile, because it is supposedly going to keep the Dead Bloated Whale alive. It all makes no sense to me.
And even more absurd is the way some of youze do not get it. It’s a total aberration.

Yeah. That's why Porsche sells so few cars.

NB23 · Jan 6, 2022

Pieter12 said:
Yeah. That's why Porsche sells so few cars.

Please enlighten me. In our particular case would Porsche be Ilford?

And if I was you, I’d compare films to gasoline, and cameras to cars. Porsche would be Leica, and films would be Gasoline.

And we all know (we being us who have studied economy in University) that gasoline/price are elastic.

Porsche=Leica.
Gas = film.

Pieter12 · Jan 6, 2022

NB23 said:
Please enlighten me. In our particular case would Porsche be Ilford?

And if I was you, I’d compare films to gasoline, and cameras to cars. Porsche would be Leica, and films would be Gasoline.

And we all know (we being us who have studied economy in University) that gasoline/price are elastic.

Porsche=Leica.
Gas = film.

In this case, Porsche is an expensive, niche car. Using your logic, suggesting that potential Porsche buyers not buy Porsches so the company sees the error of their pricing their products so high and they will lower the price.

georgevp · Jan 6, 2022

Can only wonder if Kodak will ever reissue TMAX RS developer?

I also wonder if there is an equivalent to that developer other than the one shot developer.

Tom Kershaw · Jan 6, 2022

In a sense, with regard to photographic film, the most important aspect in terms of product quality is surely reliability - e.g. the potential to achieve a "maximal" result if a unique opportunity or image presents itself, and confidence in materials at the photographing stage is a significant factor. Secondly performance and / or image quality is key in many situations, however the extent to which this is the case varies, we do not always require excellent reciprocity characteristics for example.

Sal Santamaura · Jan 6, 2022

Sirius Glass said:
Sal from whence comes your patience?...

I don't know its origin, but will share an anecdote about it. When visiting my late father in New York for the last time in November of 1994 (he died January 2, 1995), I did everything possible to make him feel "normal" despite his being in a wheelchair. He'd always been fastidious about washing his hands after eating. I hoisted him up and supported him from behind at the sink so he could engage in his old routine. His hearing wasn't the best at that point, so he probably didn't know I heard him later say in another room to my mother "Sally's* so patient."

* For those not aware, referring to someone named Salvatore as "Sally" is common in Italian-American families, even for adults. One example in The Godfather is when Tessio's being taken away for execution and he says to Hagen "Can you get me off the hook, Tom? For old times' sake?" Hagen answers "Can't do it, Sally."

faberryman said:
Thank goodness. The nonsense police always at the ready.

Most certainly not. I don't seek nonsense out. I don't visit many PHOTRIO forum categories.
However, when in one of them and nonsense appears, I always do my best to set other readers straight about it.

NB23 said:
What exactly is Nonsense?...

In this case, nonsense is disgruntled Kodak-haters pissing in the wind bitching and moaning about prices. At PHOTRIO, of all places, a forum that represents a minuscule fraction of the film market's customers. Endlessly repeated whining that accomplishes nothing while occupying bandwidth and others' time. Nonsense, indeed. And, to put a cherry on top, crap like this:

NB23 said:
The funny thing with you is that you really don’t come across as someone who has ever held a camera, let alone spent time in a darkroom.

Each of your posts are totally empty with regards to photographic contribution. There has absolutely never, ever, been an informative posts coming out of you. Never.

Projection, much?

Now, someone, anyone, please present documentation of the last time one of these Kodak pricing bitch sessions inspired Kodak (Alaris or Eastman) to lower its film prices. Or even hold them steady. Yeah, crickets.

NONSENSE!

Alan Edward Klein · Jan 6, 2022

Old Gregg said:
I disagree because of a simple reason. Pricing products is HARD! A friend of mine runs a small private equity shop, and all they do is identify companies that are underperforming because of poor pricing, purchase them, fix pricing, and sell to bigger PE firms. Pricing is a skill. Businesses practice this skill, they run processes and hire (hopefully) the right talent for it, and there's a wide distribution of quality of such talent. The reason why I would also place your thoughts above into "nonsense" category by default is simply because I do not know your background. Kodak pricing is not random as I said above, it is an output of some professional's work, while you (most likely) is just sharing random thoughts and feelings without lifting a finger. One must lift a lot of fingers to determine the right price for a product, any product.

We, consumers, have no business judging someone's pricing. We can only admit to ourselves if something is affordable to us individually or not, and when it's not then surprise (!) it may actually be by design. Consumers have zero visibility and no skill to tell good pricing apart from bad pricing.

I agree with most of what you say. But customers can sometimes tell good value if not the right price. That might be something mysterious, apart from "bad pricing" from a seller's standpoint. But it's there.

From a seller's standpoint, figuring costs is relatively easy. It's deciding on what Markup you should add for profit margins. 20%? 40% 100%. Sometimes you have to experiment to see what prospective customers will do. If sales aren't there then you lower prices or discount. Of course, the seller isn't really giving you a discount. If he didn't lower his price somehow, you wouldn't;t buy. He's just dropped his price and calls it a discount so you think you're getting a great deal. So the discounted price is really the right price. Of course, buyers think they're getting a deal. That's just salesmanship.

Sirius Glass · Jan 6, 2022

NB23 said:
The funny thing with you is that you really don’t come across as someone who has ever held a camera, let alone spent time in a darkroom.

Each of your posts are totally empty with regards to photographic contribution. There has absolutely never, ever, been an informative posts coming out of you. Never.

Talk to your people. I did not get the memo that I had for supply my resume to you including publications, books, inventions, first time evers, patents, list of management titles, universities where I taught with the list of courses and the syllabi. When your people contact my people I will have some on get right on your particular list of requests, likes, dislikes, how your food preferences and bathroom times so that no one conflicts with your constitutional.

MattKing · Jan 6, 2022

Alan Edward Klein said:
I agree with most of what you say. But customers can sometimes tell good value if not the right price. That might be something mysterious, apart from "bad pricing" from a seller's standpoint. But it's there.

From a seller's standpoint, figuring costs is relatively easy. It's deciding on what Markup you should add for profit margins. 20%? 40% 100%. Sometimes you have to experiment to see what prospective customers will do. If sales aren't there then you lower prices or discount. Of course, the seller isn't really giving you a discount. If he didn't lower his price somehow, you wouldn't;t buy. He's just dropped his price and calls it a discount so you think you're getting a great deal. So the discounted price is really the right price. Of course, buyers think they're getting a deal. That's just salesmanship.

This may be accurate in a retail environment.
But it is exceptionally simplistic in an environment where there are at least three further layers of distribution between the manufacturer and the end user, plus all the complexities involved in worldwide distribution of product that is relatively difficult to ship and store.
Particularly when some of those intervening levels of distributors mat, and almost all the retail sellers do, sell at least some competing product.

Mike Lopez · Jan 6, 2022

Sirius Glass said:
Talk to your people. I did not get the memo that I had for supply my resume to you including publications, books, inventions, first time evers, patents, list of management titles, universities where I taught with the list of courses and the syllabi. When your people contact my people I will have some on get right on your particular list of requests, likes, dislikes, how your food preferences and bathroom times so that no one conflicts with your constitutional.

You should assign some of your people to correcting all the typos in your posts.

Sirius Glass · Jan 6, 2022

Mike Lopez said:
You should assign some of your people to correcting all the typos in your posts.

The pay rate differential for proof reading is not high enough at this website to invest money. And syllabi is the correct plural spelling of the Latin word syllabus.

Alan Edward Klein · Jan 6, 2022

MattKing said:
This may be accurate in a retail environment.
But it is exceptionally simplistic in an environment where there are at least three further layers of distribution between the manufacturer and the end user, plus all the complexities involved in worldwide distribution of product that is relatively difficult to ship and store.
Particularly when some of those intervening levels of distributors mat, and almost all the retail sellers do, sell at least some competing product.

The way clothing is priced always got me thinking. It was Marcy Syms of Syms Clothing fame who described how they priced their products. Check this out and be amazed. It's less than a minute video. The thing I find interesting is that within a few short weeks, they can lower their first price by 50% (less than 1/3 the National Retail price) yet you know they're still making big profits. So imagine how much they make at the original retail prices?

Mike Lopez · Jan 6, 2022

Sirius Glass said:
The pay rate differential for proof reading is not high enough at this website to invest money. And syllabi is the correct plural spelling of the Latin word syllabus.

Syllabi is an easy word. Apparently “someone” is a bit harder to spell, and sometimes it’s really hard to construct sentences. I wouldn’t have said anything but I notice it all over the place and when you post something pedantic to try to dress someone down, it kind of undermines your whole point. I had to chuckle at “I did not get the memo that I had for supply…”

Sirius Glass · Jan 6, 2022

Mike Lopez said:
Syllabi is an easy word. Apparently “someone” is a bit harder to spell, and sometimes it’s really hard to construct sentences. I wouldn’t have said anything but I notice it all over the place and when you post something pedantic to try to dress someone down, it kind of undermines your whole point. I had to chuckle at “I did not get the memo that I had for supply…”

Would you like a job as my proof reader?

MattKing · Jan 6, 2022

This thread has clearly run its course.

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