I haven't bought TMX in 120 lately but last summer 2022 35mm/36 was $9.95 at B&H....it's currently at $10.95..... i don't think we'll see immediate changes....
$40 for a 5 pack of TMX at B&H--that seems better than it was (though I honestly don't remember what it was a month ago.)
I'm thinking it will. All it takes is one major seller like B&H to pass along the lower price and the others will likely fall in line.
I don't think we'll see lower retail prices until/maybe stores re-order at lower wholesale prices
I don't think many stores are maintaining big inventories of Kodak film. I expect Beau Photo has been buying in the smallest quantities available to them - it certainly looked that way the last time I was in and looked at the shelves behind the counter.
I don't think many stores are maintaining big inventories of Kodak film...
Would you mind naming their competitors in C41 films?
Kodak Alaris says it's not because of lower demand, but because they take opportunity to lower the prices whenever they can!
Andrew Church, Kodak Alaris’s EMEA business manager, told Kosmo Foto: “There is no general price drop but we are running some end of year promotions on some 120 films. These films have been reduced to our distributor customers by approximately the amount shown in the table:
He added: “Hopefully the distributors will pass on the full reductions, it may depend on the levels of inventory they are currently holding.”
Church said the reduced prices were not because of a fall in demand for medium format. “120 sales are fairly steady recently, but we will take an opportunity to reduce prices if we can.”
(source: kosmofoto.com)
Be careful if buying through Amazon. I got burned once with short expiration dates. So I stick tom B&H now.
We know demand hasn't slackened. Kodak still can't keep up with demand. The brick and mortar shops in my area still cannot get Kodak C41 films in 135 or 120 in the quantities they want, as regularly as they want. And I'd be prepared to trust Andy Church, he's in a position to know how healthy sales are and about any price changes.
When I spoke with him last year he said that price drops were something that KA would like to see but that could only happen if demand continued, and only in time.
I've checked 3 major online stores in EU. Every Kodak 120 film (C-41, E-6, BW) is in stock except one film (Portra 160) in one store. It’s been like that for quite a while now.
But lets disregard that fact for a second. Andy Church tells you that Alaris can't keep up with demand and that is the reason why they are bringing down the price. But, what does your brain tell you what normally happens in a situation of high demand and low supply?
And why would you rather trust mr. Church than your own brain?
The Harman story at least makes some sense. Although, I'd think that if Alaris was fearing the effect of a serious competition in C-41 market, it would probably cut the price of consumer 135 films as well, no? That's ignoring the fact that the sensible move would be to wait out for Harman's price point. There will definitely be a novelty factor period where Harman film will sell well regardless of whether they significantly undercut Kodak or not.
Kodak got a lot of colour negative film into the warehouses 2-3 months ago, hence stocks are OK with retailers at the moment. Surely you're not denying that there have been consistent problems getting film, especially colour negative film, into the market for at least the last 6-7 years.
It's not just Andy Church and it's not Alaris. Anyone who has any knowledge of the industry has been saying the same thing for years, Kodak cannot manufacture enough product in Rochester because they were caught out when demand surged circa 2016. They're still trying to clear a backlog of some 30 million 135 films. Those facts speak for themselves and frankly I've got better things to do than debate them for the hundredth time.
I've no reason to doubt Andy Church. I've spoken with him myself and find him an honourable man who certainly tells the truth as far as he knows it. He won't know all the secrets of Rochester but he knows what's going on at Alaris, and it's literally just down the road from me.
If Harman are launching a C41 film, chances are they've already let Eastman-Kodak and Kodak-Alaris know. Though the expected price point may not have been communicated, it's just about possible that Harman could undercut Kodak because they have spare confectioning capacity - which is Kodak's main bottleneck.
I have no reason to believe that Mr Church isn't a fine guy, but his position dictates what he'll say. I mean, would you expect him to say something like, "you'll pay through the nose suckers!"?I've no reason to doubt Andy Church. I've spoken with him myself and find him an honourable man who certainly tells the truth as far as he knows it. He won't know all the secrets of Rochester but he knows what's going on at Alaris, and it's literally just down the road from me.
They definitely have no reason to let them know. A leak is possible, but not part of a plan.If Harman are launching a C41 film, chances are they've already let Eastman-Kodak and Kodak-Alaris know.
1) Eastman Kodak may be coating it for them;
IIIRC, someone mentioned in the other mega-thread that Ilford denied that it's a collaboration with other companies.
I would expect it to be a gold 200 competitor, priced at a very similar level, and with some ‘link’ to an existing supplier, either directly in terms of product, acquired IP or ‘people with relevant knowledge’.
IIIRC, someone mentioned in the other mega-thread that Ilford denied that it's a collaboration with other companies.
If you haven't got much time, then lets focus on what I said instead of repeating what has been said hundreds of times before (when it was true).
1. I don't believe that supply/demand laws work differently for Alaris. Btw, this is thread about 120 film. There hasn't been a problem with availability of Kodak 120 film (sold either by Alaris or Lomography) for the past two years ('22, '23). Lomography is running extra discounts on short dated 120. Nordfoto, too.
2. I don't believe that 135 format is somehow magically unaffected by potential competition from Harman C-41 film.
3. I don't see any logic in Harman sharing their plans about competing products with Kodak or Alaris.
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