Without a doubt, putting AHU in the layers has a number of advantages, but it will also probably make the process more expensive.
seems unlikely based on the last partially visible bullet point on the sheet above:
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The "while the product with remjet is still in the market" seems a touch confusing, but I have a hard time seeing them release it as an ECN product and then changing it once the supplies of the older film is gone..
They're testing specifically for differences in pressure plate treatment. You need pretty intense light for big differences to show up.
I have a feeling these guys know what they're doing alright.
If a film did produce halation, it would show up around a strong light source - but lens flare also does show up around a strong light source. If you shine a strong light into the camera lens, you cannot tell whether the effect is lens flare, halation or a combination of both.
If you shine a strong light into the camera lens, you cannot tell whether the effect is lens flare, halation or a combination of both.
It's the indication of a start of a transitional window. It might take several years to complete. Shanebrook's book details the procedures that had to be done to get everything aligned (including changing paper colour balances over a period of time) for the launch of Portra in the 1990s.
Even if they were to go to CD-4 for all CN products moving & still, I doubt they would change the baseline aim contrasts (which vary by around the equivalent of a BW paper grade) between motion & still - they would still be different products, just with greater technological commonality which would make the background manufacturing procedures less wasteful (less duplication of research effort for a start) and possibly enhance the diversity of materials available. It might also enable more pricing stability - and encourage other manufacturers into/ back into the market, rather than forcing them to choose between CD-3 and CD-4 couplers.
The other bit which seems to go screaming over peoples' heads unnoticed is that the baseline cost/ ft of motion neg has to be very significantly lower than the cost/ ft of still neg. This is why stuff like Remjet was used - it was cheaper.
I may have misinterpreted the above
Fixed this for you:So you won't be able to buy it for use as still film.
I wouldn't be surprised if Cinestill ended up selling some of this if this actually happens.
Perhaps ultimately the new V3 won't need to undergo any process to remove the remjet and might be cheaper respooled than the current material.
I doubt processing will be cheaper in the motion picture landscape since the equipment is present already. The fact that the remjet removal bath & rollers don't have anything to remove won't save any cost.Or processing might be a bit cheaper, which will mean I'll use more in super 8.
It doesn't go "screaming over peoples' heads unnoticed". @lamerko addressed it in #21, I responded to it in #22 and the gist of that exchange is that we don't know the cost profile of both solutions. Apparently you do, but this is not common/public knowledge, so the qualification of it going over people's heads is really unwarranted. We'll have to take your word for the cost of remjet being lower than another form of AH countermeasures (and anti-static, anti-scratching, anti-friction etc.) I don't see how you could know how this will work out for EK, cost-wise, given the possibility of commonality with other products etc. In fact, from an accounting perspective I'd go so far as to say that it's inherently impossible to state with certainty which option will be more costly, as it depends to a large extent on accounting principles, not just technical differences and materials.The other bit which seems to go screaming over peoples' heads unnoticed is that the baseline cost/ ft of motion neg has to be very significantly lower than the cost/ ft of still neg. This is why stuff like Remjet was used - it was cheaper.
Yes, you can; they look differently.
On 35mm film the antihalation package is typically not a 'layer' as such. It can be as simple as a colored base with the dyes incorporated into the base acting as anti-halation measure; this is the case in many B&W 35mm products. These dyes cannot physically be washed out of the base - they're in there forever. There may or may not be additional dyes in the gelatin emulsion that may wash out; whether this would be the case on this new Vision3 product I couldn't say, nor could I say to what extent attempts at washing out such dyes before exposure would have an impact on halation performance.I suppose it's possible that the new antihalation layer could be washed off of unexposed film, then the film dried
As a point of clarification most consumer color films have the AHU on the same side of and nearest to the base below the emulsion layers. (Cine film has a remjet layer on the reverse side.) In that case, washing out a conventional AHU layer is not likely. Of course it's possible that the AHU could be coated where the remjet currently is, but that sounds like a lot of R&D effort to get the same results as remjet and doesn't help with production simplification.My understanding is that in the early days, Cinestill was buying Vision3 with remjet, removing the remjet themselves, and then drying and packaging the film for retail.
I suppose it's possible that the new antihalation layer could be washed off of unexposed film, then the film dried, and loaded back into a cassette to shoot. Guess it depends how far you're willing to go for those fluorescent gas station sign photos
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