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Anyone who doesn't know about Ilford (or the other options) isn't a committed film shooter.
One could reasonably assume a few things.
1. People do other things than make photographs. I am not sure I know anyone who makes images 24x7.
The point is people kept telling me they stopped making film BACK THEN and not to bother, it was only by chance that I was driving by the photo store and said "I should check with them" and now I AM a dedicated film shooter, but if my path were even slightly delayed, I might never have been.
I head out to a shoot.
Now, can we all stop beating an old man (Kodak) when he is down and trying to get up, please? That isn't nice.
Nobody is posting anything in this thread, that I can see, that isn't nice.
If anyone has some complaints (such as me) is that it isn't clear that Kodak is TRYING to get up, at least with regards to film. First there has to be an effort and that just isn't there.
So why keep complaining if you have moved to Ilford? This is what people don't get, you keep on and on about it as if that is going to make a difference and it is not. You have over 14,000 posts on dpreview as Rattymouse and Graham Hill, have been banned there several times and also post on Fred Miranda, Fujirumors, etc....this was all found out by a dedicated college photo educator who has since left APUG for good because he can't take it anymore, told his students to avoid this place like the plague.
The fact that many of us just get right along making photographs even with Kodak film does not make us stupid or pushovers, most don't go on and on and on like you, Ken and Stone do.
Most are not living their entire lives on the Internet, wasting precious days like some of you do.
It's often said a photograph is worth a thousand words...
It's not said that a thousand words is worth a photograph.
So why keep complaining if you have moved to Ilford? This is what people don't get, you keep on and on about it as if that is going to make a difference and it is not.
So why keep complaining if you have moved to Ilford? This is what people don't get, you keep on and on about it as if that is going to make a difference and it is not. You have over 14,000 posts on dpreview as Rattymouse and Graham Hill, have been banned there several times and also post on Fred Miranda, Fujirumors, etc....this was all found out by a dedicated college photo educator who has since left APUG for good because he can't take it anymore, told his students to avoid this place like the plague.
The fact that many of us just get right along making photographs even with Kodak film does not make us stupid or pushovers, most don't go on and on and on like you, Ken and Stone do.
Most are not living their entire lives on the Internet, wasting precious days like some of you do.
It's often said a photograph is worth a thousand words...
It's not said that a thousand words is worth a photograph.
Try living for 5.5 years in a land where you can't communicate with 99% of the people around you and see how often you use forums to get an outlet for your communication needs.
Move?
That will come in time. Right now living in China is fantastic for my wife and kids, so I put up with it. Both my kids are 100% bilingual in Chinese. That's really great to see. I wish my tired old mind could pick it up like that.
If you spend as much time studying the language as you did on these forums, I bet you would have no trouble at all speaking...
Yep, when I lived in Japan and later on Okinawa, I spent a lot of my time studying Japanese, and I have never regretted it. I barely remember it now due to disuse, but we had a Japanese student at GEH last month and I was surprised at how fast it came back.
Go Ratty, go and learn Chinese. Learn the written form as well. Geez what a waste of time, ignoring the cultural potential not to mention your pride and the respect of your co-workers. You would be surprised at how much their attitude will change if you just say a small sentence in Chinese.
Now, I grew up learning French. When I finally got to France, I found a delightful experience awaited me there because the French prefer that you speak their language. My concierge would not give me my room key unless I asked for it in proper French. The French culture was a delight as was the food and wine.
So, go out - mingle, listen and learn.
PE
Pot, meet kettle.If you spend as much time [insert anything here] as you did on these forums...
You have to move out of your comfort zone as well!
PE
If not I hope ilford or film Ferrania can buy the patents to Kodak's color films to keep color alive (same goes for Fuji if they stop making their E-6 film).
Well the problem is not patents but
IPR
and prototyping costs
When the peoples at Kodak's Harrow film coating factory were made redundant you lost all the process instructions to make the film on their machines, to coat, to cut, to finish the film.
If the factory still existed the process documentation and the experienced staff would be needed.
The documentation will be in land fill or recycling machines.
The bricks of the factory will be in a brick eating machine.
The people redundant.
The real estate coveted by little Brit cottages.
The process instructions for EK big machines that do cine and current film's would not necessarily be the same...
Doing a prototyping run at Harrow used a lump of Silver and a chunk of factory time - well expensive.
When Fotokemia went bust IR820 went too...
X-Ray film is far less specialized than most of the other B&W products made under the Kodak label. It is intended to go from a freezer / fridge to exposure and then to be processed immediately in one basic process, not dozens of different ones. It is not tweaked for LIK or Reciprocity and so it is a very simple emulsion that just happens to be coated at a high weight on the support. Remember that labor is often more expensive than materials and I think you are looking at a case here where little labor is involved compared to making TriX or Portra.
PE
The fact that many of us just get right along making photographs even with Kodak film does not make us stupid or pushovers, most don't go on and on and on like you, Ken and Stone do.
Most are not living their entire lives on the Internet, wasting precious days like some of you do.
It's often said a photograph is worth a thousand words...
It's not said that a thousand words is worth a photograph.
What would make me cry is thinking about how some humans build houses in such locations and then sell them to other, unsuspecting humans....Drove up to the Oso landslide area a bit north of me for a first-time in-person look. The same sights as seen by the president during his disaster visit. Staggering. Heart-stopping. Makes you want to cry....I still can't believe the scope of what I just saw. And yes, everything I learned about landslides from my professors was right there in front of my eyes. I've just never seen one measuring miles across...
I don't know, Ken, the complainer himself spends an awful lot of time on the Internet, here at APUG as well as other forums, frequently poking at other posters, rather than photographing. I've noticed a fair bit of pots-calling-kettles-black in this thread....What were you saying about spending all of my time on the Internet, and none of it out making photographs?...
In my opinion, experiences aren't "valid" or "invalid," they just are....just because they're not your experiences does not make them any less valid...
Pot, meet kettle.
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