Kodak no longer selling E100D directly to customers?

[dabsond]

I messaged Flic Film and they said Kodak has cut off most orders but they are still able to order.

 

[MattKing]

The motion picture Ektachrome has no frame numbers - keycodes instead and slightly different but still compatible perforations. There may also be some slightly different anti-static measures added as well, but that doesn't affect imaging, just high speed transport.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

I messaged Flic Film and they said Kodak has cut off most orders but they are still able to order.

What does that mean?

 

[MattKing]

Flic Film sell a lot of respooled film that originates from bulk film sources.

 

[cmacd123]

Flic Film sell a lot of respooled film that originates from bulk film sources.

and it implies that they are still in Eastman Kodak's Good books. It proably helps that they seem to do the volume where they buy film by the Pallet.

 

[Disconnekt]

I just found out that Atlanta Film Company is out of stock on the Euphoric 100, in both 135-36 and 100' spools. I sent a message to them to see if they expect to get it back in stock. Will keep you posted upon response.

Not sure if he answered you or not, but he Bill did post this on his personal IG a few minutes ago on his IG stories:

Will still be offering color negative film, Euphoric 100 will be sold whenever he's able to get any & will be in backorder often.

 

[cmacd123]

In line with the news that EK is shutting down production in Building 38 for major mantanace, I know we are not suposed to Speculate, BUT could that be the reason to be fussy about only selling 35mm stock to actual Productions? I picture kodak keeping track of what Productions bought a Pallet of film, and if the same production orders more, the Kodak rep might very well arrange for them to get more from the same Emulsion Number. When Joe Student order one or two rolls they might get the oldest (but still good) stock in the warehouse. whileproduction is stopped, they may want to be sure if they get a call from Vancouver, or Toronto (which seems to be where the camera roll film) for a palet of film, that they can provide a full shipment.

 

[Cholentpot]

The film industry is the worst enemy of the film industry.

 

[koraks]

could that be the reason to be fussy about only selling 35mm stock to actual Productions

No, I think that's a little far-fetched, really. That is really about channel conflicts.

 

[MattKing]

No, I think that's a little far-fetched, really. That is really about channel conflicts.

Somewhere, possibly in this thread, I've seen a reference to KB Canham having got together enough orders for 5x7 Ektachrome, but having to wait for several months because all the master rolls of Ektachrome scheduled for manufacture are spoken for until then.
And the information contained in the thread about the pending shut down of manufacture for the purpose of updating the lines includes information that makes it clear that production and orders in hand are very closely matched.

So it is entirely possible that this is a relevant factor, even if not the most important:

could that be the reason to be fussy about only selling 35mm stock to actual Productions?

 

[abruzzi]

Somewhere, possibly in this thread, I've seen a reference to KB Canham having got together enough orders for 5x7 Ektachrome, but having to wait for several months because all the master rolls of Ektachrome scheduled for manufacture are spoken for until then.

That was me, maybe in this thread or another. The exact text from Keith:

This was from mid September. Since this was sent to everyone that had asked about availability of 5x7 E100, I don't believe that posting the content of the email would be breaking any confidence.

Geof

 

[cmacd123]

That was me, maybe in this thread or another. The exact text from Keith:

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e-100 SHEET Film Stock. that is generaly on thicker base. 35mm still and Movie tends to be on 5 mil base, and 120 can be on a thinner base. I belive that kodak can coat all three as part of one run, with the computers adjusting tension on the fly.

 

[bfilm]

{Moderator note: this post and the 3 posts following it were moved here from a different thread.}

Where does that put companies like Cinestill(I know not they're not the only ones) who seemingly buy large quantities of film for respooling.

I think CineStill Film will be fine. I don't know what they were doing in the early days, but they are nowadays using film made specially for them.

This description can be found in the CineStill Film FAQ:

"It is important to note that CineStill's color negative films are NOT simply 'repackaged' motion picture film. We utilize some of the same advanced emulsion technology found in Motion Picture film to create still photography color negative film without rem-jet, optimized for archival C-41 processing, RA4 printing, and still photography film scanning. CineStill color film not only has higher speed and preserved qualities, but is also now manufactured for still photography with tried-and-true 135 steel cassettes with DX codes or premium 120 paper backing, edge-printed frame numbers, and stronger KS (Kodak Standard) perforations; without the rem-jet, contamination, motion picture edge signing, or BH (Bell and Howell) perforations -- which were prone to tearing."

 

[mshchem]

One thing, 99.9999% of photographers don't care about the apparent loss of 400' rolls of movie film. So that's a positive thing, right?

 

[Agulliver]

One thing, 99.9999% of photographers don't care about the apparent loss of 400' rolls of movie film. So that's a positive thing, right?

I won't be too happy if Candido Collective are no longer able to market their 800T 135 film. Though I could easily offset that if Lomography 800 or Kodak Max 800 were available consistently and at a price which isn't batshit crazy.

 

[Ben Hutcherson]

Another "out there" question-

It's been stated several times in this thread that E-K seemingly doesn't care about small volume, direct to consumer sales of 8mm and 16mm, and that the focus seem to be on 35mm film. That of course makes sense, as I imagine the only people using small format movie film for still use are ones potentially rolling their own miniature format stills(Minox, 110, etc, and I don't know how many people if anyone is doing that) and that has to be a basically insignificant blip compared to people using those formats for actual movie use

35mm of course is a different story, since that ALSO happens to be the most popular still format by a wide margin, cinema film is perfectly usable in most 35mm cameras provided that you can deal with cutting 400ft down to manageable lengths and your camera isn't going to throw a fit over having B&H perfs, don't mind not having frame numbers, and the market is ripe for relatively small operations to repackage it. Respooled movie film as still film has been around a long time-anyone remember Seattle Film Works?(my dad "discovered" them when they sent free film back in the 90s, and we have a lot of family vacations recorded on cinema film thanks to them).

In any case, in all of this I haven't seen 65mm mentioned. Granted that's a REALLY niche use it-offhand I'd guess there's maybe one big name movie a year on average that does, although granted I don't stay plugged into that. To my knowledge, no still cameras can use it directly unmodified, although a lot of cameras that can handle 70mm can be modified to handle 65mm. It can be slit to ~61mm to roll their own 120, and that certainly is done but there aren't too many people doing that. I imagine the minimum order quantities of 65mm turn a lot of people off even trying it for themselves, as for the stocks I've looked at it's either a single 1000ft roll or 16x 400 or 500ft rolls, or for some it's 16 rolls regardless of length(500T is the only one I see where you can order a single 1000ft roll for a nice $1509.27). A minimum quantity(16x 400ft) for 250D, for example, would set you back $9,900.80. That's not the kind of cash a lot of individuals will lay out at least at once for a single stock.

Mercury Works, which is the only vendor I'm aware of that's really catering to 65/70mm still photography, stocks 50D, 200T, 250D, and 500T in 50ft and 100ft lengths. They don't explicitly call those stocks out as "Vision3" but I can't imagine what else they'd be selling as fresh stock in 65mm with those lengths at those speeds/color balances.

I'm wondering how E-K would respond, though, to someone ordering 65mm in light of all the recent, though. I'm NOT about to try-I can handle and shoot 65mm, but without getting really creative I can't handle more than 100ft of it at a time(give or take-150ft is manageable for what I have if it's on thin base, which a lot of 70mm is, but I don't think that's true of cinema film). I'd certainly not want to learn on the fly with ~$1700 of 1000ft of 500T, or even ~$600-800 with of any stock in 400-500ft lengths...

I'll be curious to see if this shuts down the niche respoolers of 65mm, though. I don't know if anyone other than Mercury Works is doing it, especially as they also supply things like the custom spools of their own design to load 65mm into a conventional ~15ft Kodak-type 70mm cassette, and it's not another thing where there's REALLY direct competition, aside from K-A directing you to 120 format Portra stocks, which most any still camera capable of shooting 65mm film likely can easily handle.

 

[Cholentpot]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/kodak-sells-pe-assets-mastercard-154442789.html

Food for thought...

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/kodak-sells-pe-assets-mastercard-154442789.html

Food for thought...

Why does this feel like the retirement situation once at Alaris?

 

[Cholentpot]

Why does this feel like the retirement situation once at Alaris?

No idea what the article is saying other than things are moving around at Kodak.

 

[cmacd123]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/kodak-sells-pe-assets-mastercard-154442789.html

Food for thought...

that would be the EASTMAN KODAK pension plan. Alaris was set up in the Hope of funding the KODAK LIMITED Pension Plan. two different plans in two different continents.

 

[MattKing]

What Charles said.
And a decision about the sale of an old pension plan asset is not an appropriate subject for Photrio - go to a business site if you wish to discuss it.
The current EK employees are participants in a different retirement income scheme, but even then, that scheme would not be an appropriate subject here.

 

[mshchem]

What Charles said.
And a decision about the sale of an old pension plan asset is not an appropriate subject for Photrio - go to a business site if you wish to discuss it.
The current EK employees are participants in a different retirement income scheme, but even then, that scheme would not be an appropriate subject here.

Good moderator!!!

 

[koraks]

And a decision about the sale of an old pension plan asset is not an appropriate subject for Photrio - go to a business site if you wish to discuss it.

Uhm, I think we're OK if people want to discuss it as long as it remains politics/policy-free, but please do it in the Lounge etc.

No idea what the article is saying other than things are moving around at Kodak.

Things are moving around at the EK pension fund/entity. That doesn't have much (or any) bearing on what happens in the business proper. They're different entities; other than that they share the same name, they have little to do with each other.

 

[koltin]

Another "out there" question-

It's been stated several times in this thread that E-K seemingly doesn't care about small volume, direct to consumer sales of 8mm and 16mm, and that the focus seem to be on 35mm film. That of course makes sense, as I imagine the only people using small format movie film for still use are ones potentially rolling their own miniature format stills(Minox, 110, etc, and I don't know how many people if anyone is doing that) and that has to be a basically insignificant blip compared to people using those formats for actual movie use

35mm of course is a different story, since that ALSO happens to be the most popular still format by a wide margin, cinema film is perfectly usable in most 35mm cameras provided that you can deal with cutting 400ft down to manageable lengths and your camera isn't going to throw a fit over having B&H perfs, don't mind not having frame numbers, and the market is ripe for relatively small operations to repackage it. Respooled movie film as still film has been around a long time-anyone remember Seattle Film Works?(my dad "discovered" them when they sent free film back in the 90s, and we have a lot of family vacations recorded on cinema film thanks to them).

In any case, in all of this I haven't seen 65mm mentioned. Granted that's a REALLY niche use it-offhand I'd guess there's maybe one big name movie a year on average that does, although granted I don't stay plugged into that. To my knowledge, no still cameras can use it directly unmodified, although a lot of cameras that can handle 70mm can be modified to handle 65mm. It can be slit to ~61mm to roll their own 120, and that certainly is done but there aren't too many people doing that. I imagine the minimum order quantities of 65mm turn a lot of people off even trying it for themselves, as for the stocks I've looked at it's either a single 1000ft roll or 16x 400 or 500ft rolls, or for some it's 16 rolls regardless of length(500T is the only one I see where you can order a single 1000ft roll for a nice $1509.27). A minimum quantity(16x 400ft) for 250D, for example, would set you back $9,900.80. That's not the kind of cash a lot of individuals will lay out at least at once for a single stock.

Mercury Works, which is the only vendor I'm aware of that's really catering to 65/70mm still photography, stocks 50D, 200T, 250D, and 500T in 50ft and 100ft lengths. They don't explicitly call those stocks out as "Vision3" but I can't imagine what else they'd be selling as fresh stock in 65mm with those lengths at those speeds/color balances.

I'm wondering how E-K would respond, though, to someone ordering 65mm in light of all the recent, though. I'm NOT about to try-I can handle and shoot 65mm, but without getting really creative I can't handle more than 100ft of it at a time(give or take-150ft is manageable for what I have if it's on thin base, which a lot of 70mm is, but I don't think that's true of cinema film). I'd certainly not want to learn on the fly with ~$1700 of 1000ft of 500T, or even ~$600-800 with of any stock in 400-500ft lengths...

I'll be curious to see if this shuts down the niche respoolers of 65mm, though. I don't know if anyone other than Mercury Works is doing it, especially as they also supply things like the custom spools of their own design to load 65mm into a conventional ~15ft Kodak-type 70mm cassette, and it's not another thing where there's REALLY direct competition, aside from K-A directing you to 120 format Portra stocks, which most any still camera capable of shooting 65mm film likely can easily handle.

I am a niche respooler of 65mm , I cut 120 and 220 lengths under the title "Analog Abduction". Mercury Works is doing glorious work engineering hardware to make it possible to shoot 61mm because it really is absolutely stunning! I can't imagine how much work and time is put into the equipment offered. I've sort of built my personal style on the Vision3 120 , I can't imagine not having access to it now. As it seems, no luck on obtaining 65mm for the time being. The word came down from the VP one day. My official Kodak dealer and I had a wonderful relationship, they were supportive of the respooling and I had plans to keep it on the market for still photographers to try. Great hangs at the Kodak House. It was an abrupt stop, an unfortunate forced end to a relationship.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

What Charles said.
And a decision about the sale of an old pension plan asset is not an appropriate subject for Photrio - go to a business site if you wish to discuss it.
The current EK employees are participants in a different retirement income scheme, but even then, that scheme would not be an appropriate subject here.

However, the fact that the business decision will generate hundreds of millions for Eastman Kodak is an issue here, even if the particular details aren't up for discussion. It will help Kodak stay in business and keep manufacturing films for us. Maybe even lower prices and release new emulsions. That's something worth mentioning.